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Reuters—OHCHR: weaponisation of food as potential war crime (June 24, 2025). Reuters—UN adds IDF to list of grave violators against children (June 7, 2024). R

Reuters—OHCHR: weaponisation of food as potential war crime (June 24, 2025). Reuters—UN adds IDF to list of grave violators against children (June 7, 2024). Reuters—breakdown of verified Gaza deaths (women/children) from UN rights office (Nov 8, 2024). Just allegations.

richardfeynman 1y ago
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- mikkupikku 1y ago
  Do you really expect all of us to defer our judgement and trust in the integrity of the Israeli courts? The knife didn't shove itself into that prisoner's ass. Those soldiers are rapists.
  - richardfeynman 1y ago
    Actually, in this case I expect you to reject common law standards you would otherwise embrace: the right to a fair trial, the presumption of innocence, the writ of habeas corpus, standards of evidence, etc., and instead to rely on your instincts and feelings. It feels nicer for many to think like a medieval peasant than an enlightened liberal when it comes to Israel and the Jews. Nor am I surprised by your antipathy to Israeli courts, despite the fact that Israel’s courts rank highly on independence and rule-of-law lists, are broadly regarded as independent and capable of delivering fair process. Bodies that effectively vouch for this include Freedom House, global rule-of-law datasets (e.g., the World Bank WGI), and the practical trust reflected in extradition arrangements with other western countries.
    - discotop 1y ago
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      - thunky 1y ago
        And you won't get far trying to cast critics of Israel's actions as Jew-hating. It's a tired move.
      - richardfeynman 1y ago
        I'm not trying to get the commenter to tone it down. Nor am I certain that they're jew-haters. I'm trying to get people to realize that however they feel about Jews their standards of evidence are absurdly different when it comes to Israel. The video in question is troubling and should be investigated, but it does not clearly show rape, so I think that for someone to say "this shows rape" and "no matter what evidence comes out in trial I can dismiss that because it's a trial in Israel" is medieval peasant thinking.
        cholantesh 1y ago
        > I'm trying to get people to realize that however they feel about Jews their standards of evidence are absurdly different when it comes to Israel. That the video doesn't show rape and/or was doctored are also contested allegations, so your pearl clutching about double standards rings extremely hollow.
        richardfeynman 11mo ago
        The whole point of the judicial system is to navigate through contested allegations. A trial is what I'm advocating for. You're the one suggesting we should prejudge this, no trial needed.
        cholantesh 11mo ago
        I actually haven't said word one about whether there should be a trial. Conversely, you said this: >There's been no trial and the footage, which was doctored, does not clearly show this (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806468) >I also pointed out that the video doesn't clearly support the allegation, and the video has been doctored. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806559 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806559) There is no assertion in these sentences that treats the video being doctored and not showing a rape as contested allegations that need to be established as fact over the course of a trial. Maybe you've changed your mind in the past couple of hours, though.
    - thunky 1y ago
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        cholantesh 1y ago
        Right, because over the course of the past 400 years, those institutions have always worked everywhere and no one's ever been at the margins of the justice system, been arrested arbitrarily or ignored by the police, had to languish in jail without a charge, been denied access to competent attorneys, a fair and speedy trial, or been subject to institutional biases and unwarranted imprisonment. Certainly that would never happens in a territory where it has happened routinely for 70+ years.
        richardfeynman 1y ago
        You phrase your argument in a sarcastic way, because if you clearly stated what you mean your argument would appear ridiculous. Take the sarcasm out of your position and this is essentially what you're saying: "Yes, I reject the past 400 years of progress in jurisprudence because it's not always perfect, and I would prefer for us to return to medieval times."
        cholantesh 11mo ago
        No, that's what has been identified within the past 400 years as a straw man. You aren't even acknowledging the possibility of miscarriages of justice, let alone the possibility that it can be an institutional pattern. You should probably reflect on that and the impact it has on your argument, particularly in light of how it's been observed in the Israeli justice system.
        viridian 11mo ago
        Look, I also find sarcasm extremely annoying, it's an anathema to meaningful discussion. However... your non-sarcastic interpretation is clearly in bad faith, and ratchets up the hostility even further. Why post this jeering reply?
    - xg15 11mo ago
      Like this? https://opiniojuris.org/2025/05/14/how-did-the-israeli-supreme-court-legitimise-starvation-as-a-weapon-of-war-an-autopsy-of-a-ruling-part-1/ https://opiniojuris.org/2025/05/14/how-did-the-israeli-supre... That's the Supreme Court defending the starvation policy in Gaza. That exact court that liberal, progressive Israelis were fighting tooth and nail for during the last years, as the last bastion of democracy.
      - richardfeynman 11mo ago
        The opinion piece you link to is false in two respects: first, Israel has never had a starvation policy in Gaza, and second, the courts never defended the policy because it never existed.
        xg15 11mo ago
        Yeah yeah, and the 6000 trucks on the Egyptian side of the Rafah crossing were just standing there for fun. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c0k77xm651jt https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c0k77xm651jt https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-14/ty-article-magazine/no-hunger-in-gaza-say-netanyahu-the-israeli-army-and-media-as-starvation-worsens/00000198-a8a1-d539-a5b8-fdf186180000?gift=994c56f8fbf345ea8f47f0fc17be169f https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-14/ty-article-ma... https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-12/ty-article-magazine/.premium/dates-are-luxury-and-other-ways-israel-hinders-aid-trucks-from-reaching-starving-gazans/00000198-9e25-d1fc-a3d8-feadb97a0000?gift=ae9fc3e41b414124a309e047d3fe6fb1 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-12/ty-article-ma... Even now, during the ceasefire, Israel only allows goods in through Kerem Shalom and Kissufim and keeps the other crossings shut, even though aid organizations urgently demand that they must be opened. Explain to me why.
        richardfeynman 11mo ago
        I see you're linking to some debunked articles about the gaza starvation hoax. Do you seriously think Israel had a policy of starvation? Obesity is common in gaza; there are restaurants everywhere; there aren't any pictures of starving families; all the pictures of starving kids have turned out to be of kids with serious pre-existing conditions; there have been only about 200 malnutrition related deaths in two years of war in gaza, orders of magnitude less than here in the US. And no belligerent in the history of war has ever allowed in more aid to the opposing side than Israel.

richardfeynman 1y ago

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mikkupikku 1y ago
Do you really expect all of us to defer our judgement and trust in the integrity of the Israeli courts? The knife didn't shove itself into that prisoner's ass. Those soldiers are rapists.
- richardfeynman 1y ago
  Actually, in this case I expect you to reject common law standards you would otherwise embrace: the right to a fair trial, the presumption of innocence, the writ of habeas corpus, standards of evidence, etc., and instead to rely on your instincts and feelings. It feels nicer for many to think like a medieval peasant than an enlightened liberal when it comes to Israel and the Jews. Nor am I surprised by your antipathy to Israeli courts, despite the fact that Israel’s courts rank highly on independence and rule-of-law lists, are broadly regarded as independent and capable of delivering fair process. Bodies that effectively vouch for this include Freedom House, global rule-of-law datasets (e.g., the World Bank WGI), and the practical trust reflected in extradition arrangements with other western countries.
  - discotop 1y ago
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    - thunky 1y ago
      And you won't get far trying to cast critics of Israel's actions as Jew-hating. It's a tired move.
    - richardfeynman 1y ago
      I'm not trying to get the commenter to tone it down. Nor am I certain that they're jew-haters. I'm trying to get people to realize that however they feel about Jews their standards of evidence are absurdly different when it comes to Israel. The video in question is troubling and should be investigated, but it does not clearly show rape, so I think that for someone to say "this shows rape" and "no matter what evidence comes out in trial I can dismiss that because it's a trial in Israel" is medieval peasant thinking.
      - cholantesh 1y ago
        > I'm trying to get people to realize that however they feel about Jews their standards of evidence are absurdly different when it comes to Israel. That the video doesn't show rape and/or was doctored are also contested allegations, so your pearl clutching about double standards rings extremely hollow.
        richardfeynman 11mo ago
        The whole point of the judicial system is to navigate through contested allegations. A trial is what I'm advocating for. You're the one suggesting we should prejudge this, no trial needed.
        cholantesh 11mo ago
        I actually haven't said word one about whether there should be a trial. Conversely, you said this: >There's been no trial and the footage, which was doctored, does not clearly show this (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806468) >I also pointed out that the video doesn't clearly support the allegation, and the video has been doctored. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806559 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806559) There is no assertion in these sentences that treats the video being doctored and not showing a rape as contested allegations that need to be established as fact over the course of a trial. Maybe you've changed your mind in the past couple of hours, though.
  - thunky 1y ago
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    - richardfeynman 1y ago
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      - cholantesh 1y ago
        Right, because over the course of the past 400 years, those institutions have always worked everywhere and no one's ever been at the margins of the justice system, been arrested arbitrarily or ignored by the police, had to languish in jail without a charge, been denied access to competent attorneys, a fair and speedy trial, or been subject to institutional biases and unwarranted imprisonment. Certainly that would never happens in a territory where it has happened routinely for 70+ years.
        richardfeynman 1y ago
        You phrase your argument in a sarcastic way, because if you clearly stated what you mean your argument would appear ridiculous. Take the sarcasm out of your position and this is essentially what you're saying: "Yes, I reject the past 400 years of progress in jurisprudence because it's not always perfect, and I would prefer for us to return to medieval times."
        cholantesh 11mo ago
        No, that's what has been identified within the past 400 years as a straw man. You aren't even acknowledging the possibility of miscarriages of justice, let alone the possibility that it can be an institutional pattern. You should probably reflect on that and the impact it has on your argument, particularly in light of how it's been observed in the Israeli justice system.
      - viridian 11mo ago
        Look, I also find sarcasm extremely annoying, it's an anathema to meaningful discussion. However... your non-sarcastic interpretation is clearly in bad faith, and ratchets up the hostility even further. Why post this jeering reply?
  - xg15 11mo ago
    Like this? https://opiniojuris.org/2025/05/14/how-did-the-israeli-supreme-court-legitimise-starvation-as-a-weapon-of-war-an-autopsy-of-a-ruling-part-1/ https://opiniojuris.org/2025/05/14/how-did-the-israeli-supre... That's the Supreme Court defending the starvation policy in Gaza. That exact court that liberal, progressive Israelis were fighting tooth and nail for during the last years, as the last bastion of democracy.
    - richardfeynman 11mo ago
      The opinion piece you link to is false in two respects: first, Israel has never had a starvation policy in Gaza, and second, the courts never defended the policy because it never existed.
      - xg15 11mo ago
        Yeah yeah, and the 6000 trucks on the Egyptian side of the Rafah crossing were just standing there for fun. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c0k77xm651jt https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c0k77xm651jt https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-14/ty-article-magazine/no-hunger-in-gaza-say-netanyahu-the-israeli-army-and-media-as-starvation-worsens/00000198-a8a1-d539-a5b8-fdf186180000?gift=994c56f8fbf345ea8f47f0fc17be169f https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-14/ty-article-ma... https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-12/ty-article-magazine/.premium/dates-are-luxury-and-other-ways-israel-hinders-aid-trucks-from-reaching-starving-gazans/00000198-9e25-d1fc-a3d8-feadb97a0000?gift=ae9fc3e41b414124a309e047d3fe6fb1 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-12/ty-article-ma... Even now, during the ceasefire, Israel only allows goods in through Kerem Shalom and Kissufim and keeps the other crossings shut, even though aid organizations urgently demand that they must be opened. Explain to me why.
        richardfeynman 11mo ago
        I see you're linking to some debunked articles about the gaza starvation hoax. Do you seriously think Israel had a policy of starvation? Obesity is common in gaza; there are restaurants everywhere; there aren't any pictures of starving families; all the pictures of starving kids have turned out to be of kids with serious pre-existing conditions; there have been only about 200 malnutrition related deaths in two years of war in gaza, orders of magnitude less than here in the US. And no belligerent in the history of war has ever allowed in more aid to the opposing side than Israel.