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This is an allegation. There's been no trial and the footage, which was doctored, does not clearly show this. Innocent until proven guilty.

snypher 1y ago
Reuters—OHCHR: weaponisation of food as potential war crime (June 24, 2025). Reuters—UN adds IDF to list of grave violators against children (June 7, 2024). Reuters—breakdown of verified Gaza deaths (women/children) from UN rights office (Nov 8, 2024). Just allegations.
- richardfeynman 1y ago
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  - mikkupikku 1y ago
    Do you really expect all of us to defer our judgement and trust in the integrity of the Israeli courts? The knife didn't shove itself into that prisoner's ass. Those soldiers are rapists.
    - richardfeynman 1y ago
      Actually, in this case I expect you to reject common law standards you would otherwise embrace: the right to a fair trial, the presumption of innocence, the writ of habeas corpus, standards of evidence, etc., and instead to rely on your instincts and feelings. It feels nicer for many to think like a medieval peasant than an enlightened liberal when it comes to Israel and the Jews. Nor am I surprised by your antipathy to Israeli courts, despite the fact that Israel’s courts rank highly on independence and rule-of-law lists, are broadly regarded as independent and capable of delivering fair process. Bodies that effectively vouch for this include Freedom House, global rule-of-law datasets (e.g., the World Bank WGI), and the practical trust reflected in extradition arrangements with other western countries.
      - discotop 1y ago
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        thunky 1y ago
        And you won't get far trying to cast critics of Israel's actions as Jew-hating. It's a tired move.
        richardfeynman 1y ago
        I'm not trying to get the commenter to tone it down. Nor am I certain that they're jew-haters. I'm trying to get people to realize that however they feel about Jews their standards of evidence are absurdly different when it comes to Israel. The video in question is troubling and should be investigated, but it does not clearly show rape, so I think that for someone to say "this shows rape" and "no matter what evidence comes out in trial I can dismiss that because it's a trial in Israel" is medieval peasant thinking.
        cholantesh 1y ago
        > I'm trying to get people to realize that however they feel about Jews their standards of evidence are absurdly different when it comes to Israel. That the video doesn't show rape and/or was doctored are also contested allegations, so your pearl clutching about double standards rings extremely hollow.
        richardfeynman 1y ago
        The whole point of the judicial system is to navigate through contested allegations. A trial is what I'm advocating for. You're the one suggesting we should prejudge this, no trial needed.
        cholantesh 1y ago
        I actually haven't said word one about whether there should be a trial. Conversely, you said this: >There's been no trial and the footage, which was doctored, does not clearly show this (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806468) >I also pointed out that the video doesn't clearly support the allegation, and the video has been doctored. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806559 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806559) There is no assertion in these sentences that treats the video being doctored and not showing a rape as contested allegations that need to be established as fact over the course of a trial. Maybe you've changed your mind in the past couple of hours, though.
samrus 1y ago
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- richardfeynman 1y ago
  My comment clearly advocates for common law standards: the right to a trial, the presumption of innocence, and so on. Am I understanding correctly that you think this advocacy--a staple of western thought--is bad faith? You prefer mob rule, no courts, medieval justice, and so on, and consider that good faith? What a topsy-turvy world we live in.
  - samrus 11mo ago
    Your just strawmanning at this point. I didnt say those things. I really really dont think your posting in good faith

snypher 1y ago

Reuters—OHCHR: weaponisation of food as potential war crime (June 24, 2025). Reuters—UN adds IDF to list of grave violators against children (June 7, 2024). Reuters—breakdown of verified Gaza deaths (women/children) from UN rights office (Nov 8, 2024). Just allegations.

richardfeynman 1y ago
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- mikkupikku 1y ago
  Do you really expect all of us to defer our judgement and trust in the integrity of the Israeli courts? The knife didn't shove itself into that prisoner's ass. Those soldiers are rapists.
  - richardfeynman 1y ago
    Actually, in this case I expect you to reject common law standards you would otherwise embrace: the right to a fair trial, the presumption of innocence, the writ of habeas corpus, standards of evidence, etc., and instead to rely on your instincts and feelings. It feels nicer for many to think like a medieval peasant than an enlightened liberal when it comes to Israel and the Jews. Nor am I surprised by your antipathy to Israeli courts, despite the fact that Israel’s courts rank highly on independence and rule-of-law lists, are broadly regarded as independent and capable of delivering fair process. Bodies that effectively vouch for this include Freedom House, global rule-of-law datasets (e.g., the World Bank WGI), and the practical trust reflected in extradition arrangements with other western countries.
    - discotop 1y ago
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      - thunky 1y ago
        And you won't get far trying to cast critics of Israel's actions as Jew-hating. It's a tired move.
      - richardfeynman 1y ago
        I'm not trying to get the commenter to tone it down. Nor am I certain that they're jew-haters. I'm trying to get people to realize that however they feel about Jews their standards of evidence are absurdly different when it comes to Israel. The video in question is troubling and should be investigated, but it does not clearly show rape, so I think that for someone to say "this shows rape" and "no matter what evidence comes out in trial I can dismiss that because it's a trial in Israel" is medieval peasant thinking.
        cholantesh 1y ago
        > I'm trying to get people to realize that however they feel about Jews their standards of evidence are absurdly different when it comes to Israel. That the video doesn't show rape and/or was doctored are also contested allegations, so your pearl clutching about double standards rings extremely hollow.
        richardfeynman 1y ago
        The whole point of the judicial system is to navigate through contested allegations. A trial is what I'm advocating for. You're the one suggesting we should prejudge this, no trial needed.
        cholantesh 1y ago
        I actually haven't said word one about whether there should be a trial. Conversely, you said this: >There's been no trial and the footage, which was doctored, does not clearly show this (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806468) >I also pointed out that the video doesn't clearly support the allegation, and the video has been doctored. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806559 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806559) There is no assertion in these sentences that treats the video being doctored and not showing a rape as contested allegations that need to be established as fact over the course of a trial. Maybe you've changed your mind in the past couple of hours, though.

samrus 1y ago

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richardfeynman 1y ago
My comment clearly advocates for common law standards: the right to a trial, the presumption of innocence, and so on. Am I understanding correctly that you think this advocacy--a staple of western thought--is bad faith? You prefer mob rule, no courts, medieval justice, and so on, and consider that good faith? What a topsy-turvy world we live in.
- samrus 11mo ago
  Your just strawmanning at this point. I didnt say those things. I really really dont think your posting in good faith