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Israeli soldiers sexually abuse a Palestinian prisoner, while the leaker gets hounded. From settler violence to cases like this, there is little or no accountab
by negativelambda 11mo ago
Israeli soldiers sexually abuse a Palestinian prisoner, while the leaker gets hounded. From settler violence to cases like this, there is little or no accountability anymore in Israel.
- richardfeynman 11mo agoThis is an allegation. There's been no trial and the footage, which was doctored, does not clearly show this. Innocent until proven guilty.
- snypher 11mo agoReuters—OHCHR: weaponisation of food as potential war crime (June 24, 2025). Reuters—UN adds IDF to list of grave violators against children (June 7, 2024). Reuters—breakdown of verified Gaza deaths (women/children) from UN rights office (Nov 8, 2024). Just allegations.
- richardfeynman 11mo ago[flagged]
- mikkupikku 11mo agoDo you really expect all of us to defer our judgement and trust in the integrity of the Israeli courts? The knife didn't shove itself into that prisoner's ass. Those soldiers are rapists.
- richardfeynman 11mo agoActually, in this case I expect you to reject common law standards you would otherwise embrace: the right to a fair trial, the presumption of innocence, the writ of habeas corpus, standards of evidence, etc., and instead to rely on your instincts and feelings. It feels nicer for many to think like a medieval peasant than an enlightened liberal when it comes to Israel and the Jews. Nor am I surprised by your antipathy to Israeli courts, despite the fact that Israel’s courts rank highly on independence and rule-of-law lists, are broadly regarded as independent and capable of delivering fair process. Bodies that effectively vouch for this include Freedom House, global rule-of-law datasets (e.g., the World Bank WGI), and the practical trust reflected in extradition arrangements with other western countries.
- discotop 11mo ago[flagged]
- thunky 11mo agoAnd you won't get far trying to cast critics of Israel's actions as Jew-hating. It's a tired move.
- richardfeynman 11mo agoI'm not trying to get the commenter to tone it down. Nor am I certain that they're jew-haters. I'm trying to get people to realize that however they feel about Jews their standards of evidence are absurdly different when it comes to Israel. The video in question is troubling and should be investigated, but it does not clearly show rape, so I think that for someone to say "this shows rape" and "no matter what evidence comes out in trial I can dismiss that because it's a trial in Israel" is medieval peasant thinking.
- cholantesh 11mo ago> I'm trying to get people to realize that however they feel about Jews their standards of evidence are absurdly different when it comes to Israel. That the video doesn't show rape and/or was doctored are also contested allegations, so your pearl clutching about double standards rings extremely hollow.
- richardfeynman 11mo agoThe whole point of the judicial system is to navigate through contested allegations. A trial is what I'm advocating for. You're the one suggesting we should prejudge this, no trial needed.
- cholantesh 11mo agoI actually haven't said word one about whether there should be a trial. Conversely, you said this: >There's been no trial and the footage, which was doctored, does not clearly show this (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806468) >I also pointed out that the video doesn't clearly support the allegation, and the video has been doctored. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806559 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806559) There is no assertion in these sentences that treats the video being doctored and not showing a rape as contested allegations that need to be established as fact over the course of a trial. Maybe you've changed your mind in the past couple of hours, though.
- samrus 11mo ago[flagged]
- richardfeynman 11mo agoMy comment clearly advocates for common law standards: the right to a trial, the presumption of innocence, and so on. Am I understanding correctly that you think this advocacy--a staple of western thought--is bad faith? You prefer mob rule, no courts, medieval justice, and so on, and consider that good faith? What a topsy-turvy world we live in.
- samrus 11mo agoYour just strawmanning at this point. I didnt say those things. I really really dont think your posting in good faith
- ebbi 11mo agoanymore? Based on the many books I've read about Israel, there was never any accountability. It's just more prominent and unavoidable now because of social media.
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- spwa4 11mo ago[flagged]
- tefkah 11mo agoI can find no evidence for the claim that this prisoner was one of the people involved in October 7th. Also, to call shoving a metal tube up a prisoners ass to the point it causes an intestinal rupture “beat up” is incredibly disingenuous.
- lysp 11mo agoDrop Site (@DropSiteNews) reports that the victim was a civilian and not a fighter, and was released without charge in the past month as per leaked documents. https://nitter.net/DropSiteNews/status/1985398199801045208 https://nitter.net/DropSiteNews/status/1985398199801045208
- croon 11mo agoI'm trying to be as charitable as I possibly can be, but it looks like you're arguing that brutal prisoner torture is deserved if the victim is (portrayed as) heinous enough. Is this correct or was your argument something else? I can understand the impulse, but not the conscious arguing for it.
- spwa4 11mo agoI am railing more against the totally one-sided reporting then against that this is not ok.
- viridian 11mo agoRecently, any time I see someone railing against about one-sided coverage, it sets off alarm bells for where the person themselves is coming from. To explain, there was a study of partisan bias I once read, wherein a mixed audience is shown some factually neutral piece of media, then asked to rate the bias of the piece along with some other questions. Naturally, the strongest partisans felt it was the most biased against them (something we've seen replicated in dozens of studies), but the more interesting outcome was that they teased out why the partisans felt the media was so biased. The overwhelming argument from both sides was that the media in question lacked additional context that would specifically justify the actions of their own side, even though that was not the focus of the video. My big take away from this is that if a person is demanding additional, one-directional contextualization, especially if said context seems like it stretches/moves the topic of conversation, I'm probably reading polemic disguised as truth seeking.
- tguvot 11mo ago[flagged]
- roommin 11mo agoHonestly, no. Throwing some particularly 'bad apples' under the bus doesn't equate to accountability.
- tguvot 11mo ago[flagged]
- spiritual 11mo agoIt would be nice to see some actual change. It's not just these soldiers. The rape and torture of prisoners has been noted in Israeli law enforcement for years. The entire institution needs to be gutted and cleaned up.
- tguvot 11mo ago[flagged]
- roommin 11mo agoDo you have a non-hyperbole response?
- tguvot 11mo agosoldiers committed (allegedly, to be determined by court) a crime. crime is been prosecuted by military prosecutor. usually this is how accountability looks . you suggested that it's not appropriate and they been thrown under a bus. i'll say that your response is the one that started with hyperboles
- roommin 11mo agoAccountability does not end with the two people that caught with the most egregious of the crimes. It also extends into addressing the systems that lead to them torturing other people. If Israel was taking accountability for the crimes they've committed it would stop at two random soldiers. So to re-answer, honestly no, this doesn't not look like accountability to me.