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This is a good take. In the consulting context, I've quickly realized that most problems at a business can be broken down into "this will destroy the project on
by ludicity 1y ago
This is a good take. In the consulting context, I've quickly realized that most problems at a business can be broken down into "this will destroy the project on its own" and "this is an annoyance to a good engineer". Language choice is basically always in the latter category, whereas poor management or one egotist is frequently in the former.
Like, my team doesn't know anything about Java, but we COULD ship in Java if forced to. We can't ship if the feedback loop is a 30-minute CI pipeline because there is no way to have a local dev environment.
- Ocerge 1y agoMy team ships with a multi-hour CI pipeline that works 50% of the time and effectively zero local development. It's awful in almost every way developer experience-wise, but rock bottom is deeper than you think!
- bluGill 1y agoI remember being there and the large amount of work many people did to make things better. Dig in for a few years and you can too.
- skydhash 1y agoI had local development in a previous job, but you had to start a whole Kubernetes cluster. No unit tests, but a whole suite of e2e tests. And forget about debuggers as it was all microservices.
- fragmede 1y agoThey may not have existed back then, but between kind, and either Tilt or Skaffold, it's at least not as bad as it once was.
- pjmlp 1y agoWhen using Java or .NET, it is possible to plug debuggers into microservices, but that needs to be taken into account when designing their Dockerfiles. Just as heads up for others.
- seemaze 1y agoLol, that sums up the human experience. You should sell bumper stickers: "Rock bottom is deeper than you think!"
- connicpu 1y agoMy team reimplemented a stripped down binary of what our primary service does just so we could run it on our local machines. Otherwise it would take up well over 100GB of RAM. Iteration was a lot more annoying before we did that :)