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Have needs and feelings? (I mean we can’t KNOW that they don’t and we know of this case of an LLM in experiment that try to avoid being shutdown, but I think th
by plufz 11mo ago
Have needs and feelings? (I mean we can’t KNOW that they don’t and we know of this case of an LLM in experiment that try to avoid being shutdown, but I think the evidence of feeling seems weak so far)
- jstanley 11mo agoBut you can have needs and feelings even without doing thinking. It's separate.
- iammjm 11mo agoI can imagine needing without thinking (like being hungry), but feelings? How and in what space would that even manifest? Like where would such a sensation like, say, sadness reside?
- danielbln 11mo agoEmotions tend to manifest as physical sensations, and if you don't think that's true it's likely you haven't been paying attention. See also https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/12/mapping-how-emotions-manifest-in-the-body/282713/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/12/mapping-h...
- plufz 11mo agoBut that is just our nervous system that is located in both the brain and the body, they are obviously one connected system. Sure you can have reflexes and simple learning without a brain, but you need cognition for feelings. That is sort of the definition of what feeling are. One popular definition: feelings are the subjective, conscious mental experience of an emotion, or the conscious perception of bodily states that arise from physiological and neural responses to stimuli
- jstanley 11mo agoDo you think animals don't have feelings?
- tsimionescu 11mo agoDo you think animals don't think? Because the contention was "you can't have feelings without thinking". I believe it's much easier to convince yourself that animals think than it is to convince yourself that they have feelings (say, it's much easier to see that an ant has a thinking process, than it is to tell if it has feelings).