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A lot facts that people deem liberal or leftist or something are simply statistically consistent with the world literature as a whole and problematic for conser

by th0ma5 11mo ago

A lot facts that people deem liberal or leftist or something are simply statistically consistent with the world literature as a whole and problematic for conservative ideals.

criddell 11mo ago
Back in 2006 at the White House Correspondent's Dinner, Stephen Colbert said "reality has a well known liberal bias" which I thought was a pretty funny line. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Colbert_at_the_2006_White_House_Correspondents%27_Dinner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Colbert_at_the_2006_Wh...
- huhkerrf 11mo ago
  Yeah, we're all aware. Midwits have been repeating it ever since.[0] 0: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22reality%20has%20a%20well%20known%20liberal%20bias%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- th0ma5 11mo ago
  I think about facets of this a lot. The conservative ideals of thinking only in zero-sum characterizations of political problems, that someone must go without in order for someone to gain, or that a conservative ideal is to be led by some authority both don't comport with how knowledge can also be gained in society through peer to peer relationships or the very idea that wealth can be created. That the world doesn't have to follow conservative ideals is how a statement like that becomes so funny since it is the current conspiratorial reflex of the right.
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mikkupikku 11mo ago
A claim can be both statistically consistent with a given corpus and also simply wrong. Saying that Ted Cruz was caught giving blowjobs in an airport bathroom for instance. That headline wouldn't surprise anybody, but it's also wrong. I just made it up now.
- th0ma5 11mo ago
  So then is that leftist to point out the fact that it shouldn't be surprising or just an accurate description of party members as a whole?
  - mikkupikku 11mo ago
    > So then is that leftist to point out the fact that it shouldn't be surprising I don't think so, no. > just an accurate description of party members as a whole? It wouldn't be. While enough republicans have gotten caught being gay to remove the element of surprise and plausibly be the basis of LLM hallucinations, most of them haven't been, so such an LLM hallucination wouldn't actually be accurate, merely unsurprising.
    - th0ma5 11mo ago
      I don't think there's any mechanism inside of language models to accurately weigh this kind of nuance. I mean you would think that it would work like that but I don't see how it could or would in practice. The quantity of words and relationship to their description of reality is not something that can be directly calculated, let alone audited.

by th0ma5 11mo ago

A lot facts that people deem liberal or leftist or something are simply statistically consistent with the world literature as a whole and problematic for conservative ideals.

criddell 11mo ago

Back in 2006 at the White House Correspondent's Dinner, Stephen Colbert said "reality has a well known liberal bias" which I thought was a pretty funny line. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Colbert_at_the_2006_White_House_Correspondents%27_Dinner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Colbert_at_the_2006_Wh...

huhkerrf 11mo ago
Yeah, we're all aware. Midwits have been repeating it ever since.[0] 0: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22reality%20has%20a%20well%20known%20liberal%20bias%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
th0ma5 11mo ago
I think about facets of this a lot. The conservative ideals of thinking only in zero-sum characterizations of political problems, that someone must go without in order for someone to gain, or that a conservative ideal is to be led by some authority both don't comport with how knowledge can also be gained in society through peer to peer relationships or the very idea that wealth can be created. That the world doesn't have to follow conservative ideals is how a statement like that becomes so funny since it is the current conspiratorial reflex of the right.
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mikkupikku 11mo ago

A claim can be both statistically consistent with a given corpus and also simply wrong. Saying that Ted Cruz was caught giving blowjobs in an airport bathroom for instance. That headline wouldn't surprise anybody, but it's also wrong. I just made it up now.

th0ma5 11mo ago
So then is that leftist to point out the fact that it shouldn't be surprising or just an accurate description of party members as a whole?
- mikkupikku 11mo ago
  > So then is that leftist to point out the fact that it shouldn't be surprising I don't think so, no. > just an accurate description of party members as a whole? It wouldn't be. While enough republicans have gotten caught being gay to remove the element of surprise and plausibly be the basis of LLM hallucinations, most of them haven't been, so such an LLM hallucination wouldn't actually be accurate, merely unsurprising.
  - th0ma5 11mo ago
    I don't think there's any mechanism inside of language models to accurately weigh this kind of nuance. I mean you would think that it would work like that but I don't see how it could or would in practice. The quantity of words and relationship to their description of reality is not something that can be directly calculated, let alone audited.