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I believe Proton does not/will not be integrated into Steam on Mac because it would compete with CrossOver, the paid product from CodeWeavers that essentially f

I believe Proton does not/will not be integrated into Steam on Mac because it would compete with CrossOver, the paid product from CodeWeavers that essentially funds Wine development.

TkTech 1y ago
I don't really believe this to be an issue - Valve directly contracts CodeWeavers, they developed Proton together, and they've been pretty clear from recent hiring bursts that it was specifically to work on Proton. I have to imagine the income from Valve is exponentially higher than the relative niche of CrossOver. They're basically a subdivision of Valve now.
- hamdingers 1y ago
  I'm interested in alternate explanations if you have them, to be clear this is only my theory. While Valve might make up a big part of CodeWeavers book of business now, that was not true when the original contract was signed.
  - int_19h 1y ago
    The alternate explanation is that it's rather pointless to integrate it because all new Macs are ARM, and there are basically zero Windows games compiled for ARM.
    - hamdingers 1y ago
      Not likely considering Valve are working on an ARM version of proton in the open, have published test results for x86-64 windows games playing on proton-arm64ec-4, and there are credible leaks that the Steam Frame uses an ARM cpu. If anything Valve is moving towards ARM and taking the library along with it.
      - int_19h 1y ago
        Then it will probably happen after they get it polished on Windows.
_cenw 1y ago
Crossover isn't aimed at the gaming crowd, but productivity software. Their builds favor stability over new and shiny compatibility/feature support. I just had a license because I like supporting CodeWeavers. They also make a Linux build of CrossOver.
- hamdingers 1y ago
  They advertise gaming as a use case for CrossOver (there used to be a separate CrossOver Games product, even, which I was a customer of), and it would not surprise me if the linux build of CrossOver sells so little they wouldn't care.

I believe Proton does not/will not be integrated into Steam on Mac because it would compete with CrossOver, the paid product from CodeWeavers that essentially funds Wine development.

TkTech 1y ago

I don't really believe this to be an issue - Valve directly contracts CodeWeavers, they developed Proton together, and they've been pretty clear from recent hiring bursts that it was specifically to work on Proton. I have to imagine the income from Valve is exponentially higher than the relative niche of CrossOver. They're basically a subdivision of Valve now.

hamdingers 1y ago
I'm interested in alternate explanations if you have them, to be clear this is only my theory. While Valve might make up a big part of CodeWeavers book of business now, that was not true when the original contract was signed.
- int_19h 1y ago
  The alternate explanation is that it's rather pointless to integrate it because all new Macs are ARM, and there are basically zero Windows games compiled for ARM.
  - hamdingers 1y ago
    Not likely considering Valve are working on an ARM version of proton in the open, have published test results for x86-64 windows games playing on proton-arm64ec-4, and there are credible leaks that the Steam Frame uses an ARM cpu. If anything Valve is moving towards ARM and taking the library along with it.
    - int_19h 1y ago
      Then it will probably happen after they get it polished on Windows.

_cenw 1y ago

Crossover isn't aimed at the gaming crowd, but productivity software. Their builds favor stability over new and shiny compatibility/feature support. I just had a license because I like supporting CodeWeavers. They also make a Linux build of CrossOver.

hamdingers 1y ago
They advertise gaming as a use case for CrossOver (there used to be a separate CrossOver Games product, even, which I was a customer of), and it would not surprise me if the linux build of CrossOver sells so little they wouldn't care.