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What’s the principled line between journalism and crime, if there is one that isn’t just opinion? Often journalists are not just protecting sources but guiding

What’s the principled line between journalism and crime, if there is one that isn’t just opinion? Often journalists are not just protecting sources but guiding them or encouraging them. And those sources are sometimes committing crimes like leaking trade secrets or other confidential info.

FrustratedMonky 1y ago
So cajoling is a crime?
- terminalshort 1y ago
  Thankfully, no. But from reading comments on the internet it seems like "look what you made me do" is considered a valid excuse by a large percentage of so called adults in the US.
- ThrowawayTestr 1y ago
  Incitement of violence is a crime
croes 1y ago
> Often journalists are not just protecting sources but guiding them or encouraging them. Source?
- burningChrome 1y ago
  The Rolling Stone scandal around "A Rape On Campus" article is a good example: Rolling Stone’s investigation: ‘A failure that was avoidable’: https://www.cjr.org/investigation/rolling_stone_investigation.php https://www.cjr.org/investigation/rolling_stone_investigatio... Last July 8, Sabrina Rubin Erdely, a writer for Rolling Stone, telephoned Emily Renda, a rape survivor working on sexual assault issues as a staff member at the University of Virginia. Erdely said she was searching for a single, emblematic college rape case that would show “what it’s like to be on campus now … where not only is rape so prevalent but also that there’s this pervasive culture of sexual harassment/rape culture,” according to Erdely’s notes of the conversation"
  - Forgeties79 1y ago
    This was one extreme case that was incredibly noteworthy (and not quite as sinister as you are implying, though definitely reckless and unethical). To act like this is bog standard is patently absurd.
Forgeties79 1y ago
> And those sources are sometimes committing crimes like leaking trade secrets or other confidential info I mean this with all sincerity: So what? What bearing does that have on the journalist and what they are writing? I am also curious about that claim the other guy asked you about, “Guiding” sources and such.
- SilverElfin 1y ago
  I know it directly from first hand experience. And I liken it to jurisprudence on incitement to violence. Is incitement to theft also punishable? Does the motivation being journalism matter? Why or why not?
  - Forgeties79 1y ago
    Hold on, who said a journalist was inciting criminal activity? That is a completely different animal. Of course I am not saying that’s fine. That’s not even remotely what I’m talking about.
  - malcolmgreaves 1y ago
    Journalists provide a valuable public service: publishing the truth. The position you’re advocating for is sullied up as “fuck the truth, bend the knee to the law.” Your opinion is incompatible with a free society.

FrustratedMonky 1y ago

So cajoling is a crime?

terminalshort 1y ago
Thankfully, no. But from reading comments on the internet it seems like "look what you made me do" is considered a valid excuse by a large percentage of so called adults in the US.
ThrowawayTestr 1y ago
Incitement of violence is a crime

croes 1y ago

> Often journalists are not just protecting sources but guiding them or encouraging them. Source?

burningChrome 1y ago
The Rolling Stone scandal around "A Rape On Campus" article is a good example: Rolling Stone’s investigation: ‘A failure that was avoidable’: https://www.cjr.org/investigation/rolling_stone_investigation.php https://www.cjr.org/investigation/rolling_stone_investigatio... Last July 8, Sabrina Rubin Erdely, a writer for Rolling Stone, telephoned Emily Renda, a rape survivor working on sexual assault issues as a staff member at the University of Virginia. Erdely said she was searching for a single, emblematic college rape case that would show “what it’s like to be on campus now … where not only is rape so prevalent but also that there’s this pervasive culture of sexual harassment/rape culture,” according to Erdely’s notes of the conversation"
- Forgeties79 1y ago
  This was one extreme case that was incredibly noteworthy (and not quite as sinister as you are implying, though definitely reckless and unethical). To act like this is bog standard is patently absurd.

Forgeties79 1y ago

> And those sources are sometimes committing crimes like leaking trade secrets or other confidential info I mean this with all sincerity: So what? What bearing does that have on the journalist and what they are writing? I am also curious about that claim the other guy asked you about, “Guiding” sources and such.

SilverElfin 1y ago
I know it directly from first hand experience. And I liken it to jurisprudence on incitement to violence. Is incitement to theft also punishable? Does the motivation being journalism matter? Why or why not?
- Forgeties79 1y ago
  Hold on, who said a journalist was inciting criminal activity? That is a completely different animal. Of course I am not saying that’s fine. That’s not even remotely what I’m talking about.
- malcolmgreaves 1y ago
  Journalists provide a valuable public service: publishing the truth. The position you’re advocating for is sullied up as “fuck the truth, bend the knee to the law.” Your opinion is incompatible with a free society.