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> Why would they not be homogenous? Why would a business have the power to decide what should and what shouldn't be homogeneous about the property of others? A

> Why would they not be homogenous? Why would a business have the power to decide what should and what shouldn't be homogeneous about the property of others? A transaction took place, property has legally changed hands and the former owner is exerting control over property that isn't theirs any more. How about if the builder of your house comes into your home via an access route unknown to you, and starts rearranging where things are placed, or where you and your wife are placed, etc. in order to maintain homogeneous layout?

below43 1y ago
This is a cool article, and neat he got it working in the end. One thing that is odd - if he blocked it calling home, it doesn't make sense that the kill code was issued remotely. It makes more sense that there is a line of code internally that kills the machine when it can't call home (which would be far less malicious).
- DaSHacka 1y ago
  > It makes more sense that there is a line of code internally that kills the machine when it can't call home (which would be far less malicious). Would it be? Whether the line of code is on the server or the device, what's the difference?
  - deleted 1y ago
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  - fragmede 1y ago
    If you bring me your silverware from the kitchen, or I go into your house to take it, what's the difference? (CFAA charges)
    - DaSHacka 1y ago
      If you sell me silverware that, unless I share my eating habits with you, automatically disintegrates, or if you break in and steal them back, what truly is the difference? It's funny you think a vacuum automatically bricking itself if you try to prevent its connection to the mothership is at all equivalent to someone choosing to give someone silverware.
      - fragmede 1y ago
        it's funny you read my comment in a way I did not write. User asked for an explanation of the difference between two fairly scenarios, so I provided one. How has making up things that other people haven't said been working out for you?
        DaSHacka 1y ago
        And yet you're unable to vocalize the contrast in my interpretation and your message, because I interpreted it exactly as you intended for it to be. How's that backpedaling working out for you?
        fragmede 1y ago
        Your comments would come off a lot better, and the conversation would be less shitty, if you'd just leave off the last sentence. It's pervasive across HN, so it's not just you, but just FYI. Just write out the whole comment, including the qwip at the end that you just can't help, and post it, and then edit the comment and delete it. The contrast is that the vacuum isn't a sentient being, and so from there, you don't see the device reaching out, vs being told what to do, as being any different. I'm not a judge in overseeing a court case in your jurisdiction though, so no matter how much of a distinction I personally may think there is, is irrelevant.
        DaSHacka 1y ago
        The last sentence of my comment was a parodic reversal of the last sentence of your previous comment.
  - below43 1y ago
    He implied they were remoting in after he blocked network traffic. It could easilyl be a standard exception handling approache when it can't call home and fetch latest settings etc. It might not be malicious - not defending the architecture, just think that there is an assumption of intent here.
    - foobarchu 1y ago
      Whether they remote into his device or it kills itself is irrelevant except that if it's local code that's even worse, as they've programmed in future obsolescence. That is indefensible, full stop, do not pass go.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  That would in many ways be even worse because it means that if the manufacturer were to go out of business all of the stuff they sold would stop working. That's more malicious, not less.
dylan604 1y ago
> How about if the builder of your house comes into your home via an access route unknown to you, and starts rearranging where things are placed, or where you and your wife are placed, etc. in order to maintain homogeneous layout? I've seen this movie. Only, the twist was that the home was built 100+ years ago and the builder long since dead. The family living in the home currently had to resort to an exorcist. Edit to say that the sarcasm is direct rebuttal with the preposterous nature of the hypothetical.
HiPhish 1y ago
> How about if the builder of your house comes into your home via an access route unknown to you, and starts rearranging where things are placed, or where you and your wife are placed, etc. in order to maintain homogeneous layout? And if you complain he kicks you and your wife out of the house you bought. And if you dare to close off the backdoor he sends you to jail.

below43 1y ago

This is a cool article, and neat he got it working in the end. One thing that is odd - if he blocked it calling home, it doesn't make sense that the kill code was issued remotely. It makes more sense that there is a line of code internally that kills the machine when it can't call home (which would be far less malicious).

DaSHacka 1y ago
> It makes more sense that there is a line of code internally that kills the machine when it can't call home (which would be far less malicious). Would it be? Whether the line of code is on the server or the device, what's the difference?
- deleted 1y ago
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- fragmede 1y ago
  If you bring me your silverware from the kitchen, or I go into your house to take it, what's the difference? (CFAA charges)
  - DaSHacka 1y ago
    If you sell me silverware that, unless I share my eating habits with you, automatically disintegrates, or if you break in and steal them back, what truly is the difference? It's funny you think a vacuum automatically bricking itself if you try to prevent its connection to the mothership is at all equivalent to someone choosing to give someone silverware.
    - fragmede 1y ago
      it's funny you read my comment in a way I did not write. User asked for an explanation of the difference between two fairly scenarios, so I provided one. How has making up things that other people haven't said been working out for you?
      - DaSHacka 1y ago
        And yet you're unable to vocalize the contrast in my interpretation and your message, because I interpreted it exactly as you intended for it to be. How's that backpedaling working out for you?
        fragmede 1y ago
        Your comments would come off a lot better, and the conversation would be less shitty, if you'd just leave off the last sentence. It's pervasive across HN, so it's not just you, but just FYI. Just write out the whole comment, including the qwip at the end that you just can't help, and post it, and then edit the comment and delete it. The contrast is that the vacuum isn't a sentient being, and so from there, you don't see the device reaching out, vs being told what to do, as being any different. I'm not a judge in overseeing a court case in your jurisdiction though, so no matter how much of a distinction I personally may think there is, is irrelevant.
        DaSHacka 1y ago
        The last sentence of my comment was a parodic reversal of the last sentence of your previous comment.
- below43 1y ago
  He implied they were remoting in after he blocked network traffic. It could easilyl be a standard exception handling approache when it can't call home and fetch latest settings etc. It might not be malicious - not defending the architecture, just think that there is an assumption of intent here.
  - foobarchu 1y ago
    Whether they remote into his device or it kills itself is irrelevant except that if it's local code that's even worse, as they've programmed in future obsolescence. That is indefensible, full stop, do not pass go.
jacquesm 1y ago
That would in many ways be even worse because it means that if the manufacturer were to go out of business all of the stuff they sold would stop working. That's more malicious, not less.

dylan604 1y ago

> How about if the builder of your house comes into your home via an access route unknown to you, and starts rearranging where things are placed, or where you and your wife are placed, etc. in order to maintain homogeneous layout? I've seen this movie. Only, the twist was that the home was built 100+ years ago and the builder long since dead. The family living in the home currently had to resort to an exorcist. Edit to say that the sarcasm is direct rebuttal with the preposterous nature of the hypothetical.

HiPhish 1y ago

> How about if the builder of your house comes into your home via an access route unknown to you, and starts rearranging where things are placed, or where you and your wife are placed, etc. in order to maintain homogeneous layout? And if you complain he kicks you and your wife out of the house you bought. And if you dare to close off the backdoor he sends you to jail.