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> I don't want this. It seems your colleagues do.

by mouse_ 11mo ago

zetanor 11mo ago
Thankfully, their wants can be overridden.
wiether 11mo ago
I'm not sure they are talking about their colleagues: > To me - as someone not in the Microsoft ecosystem And the fact that they are managing their own Postfix seems pretty clear. As someone in the MS ecosystem at work, I'm using this feature daily (after thinking that it was stupid in the early days)... but I make sure to only use it with coworkers or partners that I know are in the MS ecosystem. I 100% understand someone being annoyed when they receive an email telling them that someone added an emoji to their email. Sometimes during the weekend MS is sending me an email recap of the reactions I received during the week and it pisses me off. The email reactions should be silent and that's their goal: a quiet ack.
- bee_rider 11mo ago
  Yeah. I think reactions emojis are just the gen-z version of the subject line: RE: Here are the plans. Ack <eom> In that sense they basically make sense and it should be unmysterious that people want them.
  - johannes1234321 11mo ago
    That Mail is very different from reactions. A nice thing is that outlook can simply sum up the reactions and show them along the message in a non-intrusive way. A Mail, even with just a subject takes a lot more space and leads somebody to answer to it which messes up the thread.
    - bee_rider 11mo ago
      The emoji adds some new functionality for sure. That’s just the nature of iterative improvement, right?
    - wiether 11mo ago
      > A nice thing is that outlook can simply sum up the reactions and show them along the message in a non-intrusive way. Yeah, that's why I came to like the feature. It's even visible at two places: in the thread list and on an individual email. The only downside for now: the choice of emoji is too limited. I want my eggplant emoji! But given the history in Teams, where they started with a limited set of emojis, before adding all of them and finally allowing custom ones, I guess it's coming!
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  - wiether 11mo ago
    > I think reactions emojis are just the gen-z version Every time someone tells that something I use and enjoy is "the gen-z version" of something, I'm getting worried: is it me trying to keep-up with the cool kids? Having a few "gen-z" in my team, I quickly came to the conclusion that trying to profile them in a single group was silly: they all behave differently, like every human ever did.
    - ziml77 11mo ago
      As someone squarely in gen y. I've had the same feelings about me doing stuff that others are associating with gen z. I think there may be two things at play here. One is that some people are just bad at adapting to social shifts and assume that everyone is the same way as them. The other is that people have gotten loose with usage of generation terms. So for some older people "gen z" = "person younger than me", while for some younger people "boomer" = "person older than me" And both of those are problems with the speaker, so now I just ignore them and happily keep on doing the "gen z" things.
      - wiether 11mo ago
        Thanks for your perspective, I must say that I agree with you
      - bee_rider 11mo ago
        FWIW I mean just as a thing that gen-z popularized, I don’t think they think they own the idea (well, I hope they don’t, I’m not gen-z and I use them). Anyway, the oldest gen-z is just about pushing 30 now, so they get to join us lame people with sore backs.
- wkat4242 11mo ago
  The problem with this is embrace extend extinguish. The way Microsoft adds features to email that only work well in their ecosystem and annoy everyone else is a clear extend phase in progress
  - AlexandrB 11mo ago
    Google is trying a similar strategy with AMP for email[1]. I think we're going to miss interoperable email once it's gone. [1] https://developers.google.com/workspace/gmail/ampemail https://developers.google.com/workspace/gmail/ampemail
  - wiether 11mo ago
    Yeah that's why I didn't quite welcomed the feature at first: that's just MS adding their stuff and not following a standard.
wkat4242 11mo ago
They don't either. Microsoft wants it. They even do all this adoption crap basically advertising their own features "did you react to an email today? Did you @name tag a person today?" If these features were actually compelling people would use them without having to be hoarded by an corporate drone "adoption manager".
tliltocatl 11mo ago
Colleagues simply don't understand the implications. The idea is good. The implementation is crap.

> I don't want this. It seems your colleagues do.

by mouse_ 11mo ago

> I don't want this. It seems your colleagues do.

zetanor 11mo ago

Thankfully, their wants can be overridden.

wiether 11mo ago

I'm not sure they are talking about their colleagues: > To me - as someone not in the Microsoft ecosystem And the fact that they are managing their own Postfix seems pretty clear. As someone in the MS ecosystem at work, I'm using this feature daily (after thinking that it was stupid in the early days)... but I make sure to only use it with coworkers or partners that I know are in the MS ecosystem. I 100% understand someone being annoyed when they receive an email telling them that someone added an emoji to their email. Sometimes during the weekend MS is sending me an email recap of the reactions I received during the week and it pisses me off. The email reactions should be silent and that's their goal: a quiet ack.

bee_rider 11mo ago
Yeah. I think reactions emojis are just the gen-z version of the subject line: RE: Here are the plans. Ack <eom> In that sense they basically make sense and it should be unmysterious that people want them.
- johannes1234321 11mo ago
  That Mail is very different from reactions. A nice thing is that outlook can simply sum up the reactions and show them along the message in a non-intrusive way. A Mail, even with just a subject takes a lot more space and leads somebody to answer to it which messes up the thread.
  - bee_rider 11mo ago
    The emoji adds some new functionality for sure. That’s just the nature of iterative improvement, right?
  - wiether 11mo ago
    > A nice thing is that outlook can simply sum up the reactions and show them along the message in a non-intrusive way. Yeah, that's why I came to like the feature. It's even visible at two places: in the thread list and on an individual email. The only downside for now: the choice of emoji is too limited. I want my eggplant emoji! But given the history in Teams, where they started with a limited set of emojis, before adding all of them and finally allowing custom ones, I guess it's coming!
- deleted 11mo ago
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- wiether 11mo ago
  > I think reactions emojis are just the gen-z version Every time someone tells that something I use and enjoy is "the gen-z version" of something, I'm getting worried: is it me trying to keep-up with the cool kids? Having a few "gen-z" in my team, I quickly came to the conclusion that trying to profile them in a single group was silly: they all behave differently, like every human ever did.
  - ziml77 11mo ago
    As someone squarely in gen y. I've had the same feelings about me doing stuff that others are associating with gen z. I think there may be two things at play here. One is that some people are just bad at adapting to social shifts and assume that everyone is the same way as them. The other is that people have gotten loose with usage of generation terms. So for some older people "gen z" = "person younger than me", while for some younger people "boomer" = "person older than me" And both of those are problems with the speaker, so now I just ignore them and happily keep on doing the "gen z" things.
    - wiether 11mo ago
      Thanks for your perspective, I must say that I agree with you
    - bee_rider 11mo ago
      FWIW I mean just as a thing that gen-z popularized, I don’t think they think they own the idea (well, I hope they don’t, I’m not gen-z and I use them). Anyway, the oldest gen-z is just about pushing 30 now, so they get to join us lame people with sore backs.
wkat4242 11mo ago
The problem with this is embrace extend extinguish. The way Microsoft adds features to email that only work well in their ecosystem and annoy everyone else is a clear extend phase in progress
- AlexandrB 11mo ago
  Google is trying a similar strategy with AMP for email[1]. I think we're going to miss interoperable email once it's gone. [1] https://developers.google.com/workspace/gmail/ampemail https://developers.google.com/workspace/gmail/ampemail
- wiether 11mo ago
  Yeah that's why I didn't quite welcomed the feature at first: that's just MS adding their stuff and not following a standard.

wkat4242 11mo ago

They don't either. Microsoft wants it. They even do all this adoption crap basically advertising their own features "did you react to an email today? Did you @name tag a person today?" If these features were actually compelling people would use them without having to be hoarded by an corporate drone "adoption manager".

tliltocatl 11mo ago

Colleagues simply don't understand the implications. The idea is good. The implementation is crap.