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>> Why are you producing so much code? This is basically a "thinking tax". If you don't want to think and offload it to llm they burn through a lot of tokens

>> Why are you producing so much code? This is basically a "thinking tax". If you don't want to think and offload it to llm they burn through a lot of tokens to implement in a non-efficient way something you could often do in 10 lines if you though about it for a few minutes.

Jnr 1y ago
In a large project with decent code structure there can be quite a bit of boilerplate, convention, testing required. Also we are not talking about a 10-line change. More like 10k line feature. Before LLMs we simply wouldn't implement many of those features since they were not exactly critical and required a lot of time, but now when the required development time is cut signifficantly, they suddenly make sense to implement.
brabel 1y ago
I’ve just implemented a proof of concept that involved an API, a MCP server, an Authorization Server, a React frontend, token validation and proof of possession on the client, a CIBA flow for authentication… took a week , and I don’t even know the technologies used very well, it was all TypeScript but I work on JVM languages normally. This was a one off for a customer and I was able to show a fairly complex workflow end to end and what each part involves. I let the LLM write most of it but I understand every line and did have to make manual adjustments (though to be honest, I could easily explain to the LLM what I needed changed and given my experience it would eventually get there. If you tell me I didn’t really need a LLM to be able to do all that in a week and just some thought and 10 lines of code would do, I suspect you are not really familiar with the latest developments in AI and just vastly underestimates the capabilities they have to do tricky stuff.
- risyachka 1y ago
  >> I don’t even know the technologies used very well Thats why it took a week with llm. And for you it makes sense as this is new tech. But if someone knows those technologies - it would still take a week with llm and like 2 days without.

Jnr 1y ago

In a large project with decent code structure there can be quite a bit of boilerplate, convention, testing required. Also we are not talking about a 10-line change. More like 10k line feature. Before LLMs we simply wouldn't implement many of those features since they were not exactly critical and required a lot of time, but now when the required development time is cut signifficantly, they suddenly make sense to implement.

brabel 1y ago

I’ve just implemented a proof of concept that involved an API, a MCP server, an Authorization Server, a React frontend, token validation and proof of possession on the client, a CIBA flow for authentication… took a week , and I don’t even know the technologies used very well, it was all TypeScript but I work on JVM languages normally. This was a one off for a customer and I was able to show a fairly complex workflow end to end and what each part involves. I let the LLM write most of it but I understand every line and did have to make manual adjustments (though to be honest, I could easily explain to the LLM what I needed changed and given my experience it would eventually get there. If you tell me I didn’t really need a LLM to be able to do all that in a week and just some thought and 10 lines of code would do, I suspect you are not really familiar with the latest developments in AI and just vastly underestimates the capabilities they have to do tricky stuff.

risyachka 1y ago
>> I don’t even know the technologies used very well Thats why it took a week with llm. And for you it makes sense as this is new tech. But if someone knows those technologies - it would still take a week with llm and like 2 days without.