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“Islam probably” is inherently racist, just as “Jews probably” was back in the ‘30s, the last time the era of “don’t be racist” was fucking over. But, yeah, wo

“Islam probably” is inherently racist, just as “Jews probably” was back in the ‘30s, the last time the era of “don’t be racist” was fucking over. But, yeah, would-be Fascists jumping to “Islam probably” whenever there’s a crime in the UK has been happening lately… often in places like Doncaster.

almosthere 1y ago
Well if I had started my comment with "Christians probably" a) far fewer downvotes for a thread that most people missed. b) People would be agreeing with me, for the most part, and c) it would have made zero sense. As for "Jews Probably" show me a bunch of Jew lead terror attacks in germany that triggered WW2 - otherwise you're just calling everyone a nazi and a fascist again for no reason other than just trying not to be a "bad leftist".
- yawpitch 1y ago
  I can’t show you a bunch of Jew-“lead” (sic) terror attacks in 1920s-30s Germany because the vast majority of them only existed within the fevered imagination of the actual Nazis and Fascists of the day, much as the vast majority of Islamic-led attacks in the UK since 2007 exist only in the fevered imagination of the would-be Nazis and Fascists of today. Having undoubtedly spent way more time in Doncaster and on that specific train line than you, and having actually been in the UK with a functioning memory of events here, and having been a victim of the actually extremely small amount of violent crime here, I’m going to assume that this very centrist is much more well-informed on the matter than an actually and demonstrably racist individual engaging in overtly fascistic rhetoric.
  - almosthere 1y ago
    Start here and just roll down. Majority of incidents are Islamic related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain#2000s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in... There are a bunch of thwarted attacks too, here's one where an Islamic person was planning to attack London's Pride parade: https://news.sky.com/story/mohiussunnath-chowdhury-extremely-dangerous-jihadist-guilty-of-plotting-terror-attack-on-gay-pride-parade-11927763 https://news.sky.com/story/mohiussunnath-chowdhury-extremely... Also, this might help people in the future: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G4s4tkOWEAA2R3O?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G4s4tkOWEAA2R3O?format=jpg&name=...
    - yawpitch 1y ago
      And, as expected, police have now announced it was two British nationals, neither of them obviously Islamic, and no apparent or suspected link to any form of ideological terrorism. Islamophobe, probably.
      - hexbin010 1y ago
        Not the white chavs you claimed either, so get off that high horse ;)
        yawpitch 1y ago
        I made no claims whatever, I just said the odds were equal or greater than their baseless, pointless (and borderline-or-over racist) speculation.
        almosthere 1y ago
        Yes you specifically did: greater chance it was a drunk and/or stoned white kid They have not yet released the religion of the people. They may never do that either, they're under a spell there.
        yawpitch 1y ago
        No, I specifically didn’t, and apparently an inability to read English is amongst your other, let’s just say interesting, attributes. When an ignorant idiot says “it was probably A” and then someone who actually knows the area says “actually, that’s the thinking of someone who is either ignorant or an idiot, because there’s an equal or better chance it was B” that someone isn’t saying “it was definitely B”, they’re saying the ignorant idiot is an ignorant idiot for assuming A… there’s also a significantly better chance it was C, D, E, or in the case of Doncaster and Peterborough several more letters up to W… my point in its entirety is that it takes an ignorant idiot to assume it was A. Especially when it was not, in fact, someone motivated by Islam (or even a misreading of Islam). When this is all said and done it will almost certainly have been motivated by either alcohol, drugs, mental illness, or straightforward injured male pride, just like almost every other violent event in this country. In more ignorant and idiotic countries he’d have had a gun. I’m glad I’ve moved somewhere he only had a knife, and most (if not all) of the injured will pull through.
tim333 1y ago
I'm not sure describing the behaviour of some religious group in inherently racist. What race is islam?
- foldr 1y ago
  You think stabbing people on trains is an accurate description of the behavior of Muslims as a religious group? If not, what is your point exactly? Prejudice against Muslims, or those perceived as Muslims, is often closely linked to racialised conceptions of them (see e.g. that adorable woman who thought that Obama was an ‘Arab’ back in the day). But anyway, if it’s not racism per se it’s just some other equally indefensible prejudice that we could well do without.

almosthere 1y ago

Well if I had started my comment with "Christians probably" a) far fewer downvotes for a thread that most people missed. b) People would be agreeing with me, for the most part, and c) it would have made zero sense. As for "Jews Probably" show me a bunch of Jew lead terror attacks in germany that triggered WW2 - otherwise you're just calling everyone a nazi and a fascist again for no reason other than just trying not to be a "bad leftist".

yawpitch 1y ago
I can’t show you a bunch of Jew-“lead” (sic) terror attacks in 1920s-30s Germany because the vast majority of them only existed within the fevered imagination of the actual Nazis and Fascists of the day, much as the vast majority of Islamic-led attacks in the UK since 2007 exist only in the fevered imagination of the would-be Nazis and Fascists of today. Having undoubtedly spent way more time in Doncaster and on that specific train line than you, and having actually been in the UK with a functioning memory of events here, and having been a victim of the actually extremely small amount of violent crime here, I’m going to assume that this very centrist is much more well-informed on the matter than an actually and demonstrably racist individual engaging in overtly fascistic rhetoric.
- almosthere 1y ago
  Start here and just roll down. Majority of incidents are Islamic related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain#2000s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in... There are a bunch of thwarted attacks too, here's one where an Islamic person was planning to attack London's Pride parade: https://news.sky.com/story/mohiussunnath-chowdhury-extremely-dangerous-jihadist-guilty-of-plotting-terror-attack-on-gay-pride-parade-11927763 https://news.sky.com/story/mohiussunnath-chowdhury-extremely... Also, this might help people in the future: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G4s4tkOWEAA2R3O?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G4s4tkOWEAA2R3O?format=jpg&name=...
  - yawpitch 1y ago
    And, as expected, police have now announced it was two British nationals, neither of them obviously Islamic, and no apparent or suspected link to any form of ideological terrorism. Islamophobe, probably.
    - hexbin010 1y ago
      Not the white chavs you claimed either, so get off that high horse ;)
      - yawpitch 1y ago
        I made no claims whatever, I just said the odds were equal or greater than their baseless, pointless (and borderline-or-over racist) speculation.
        almosthere 1y ago
        Yes you specifically did: greater chance it was a drunk and/or stoned white kid They have not yet released the religion of the people. They may never do that either, they're under a spell there.
        yawpitch 1y ago
        No, I specifically didn’t, and apparently an inability to read English is amongst your other, let’s just say interesting, attributes. When an ignorant idiot says “it was probably A” and then someone who actually knows the area says “actually, that’s the thinking of someone who is either ignorant or an idiot, because there’s an equal or better chance it was B” that someone isn’t saying “it was definitely B”, they’re saying the ignorant idiot is an ignorant idiot for assuming A… there’s also a significantly better chance it was C, D, E, or in the case of Doncaster and Peterborough several more letters up to W… my point in its entirety is that it takes an ignorant idiot to assume it was A. Especially when it was not, in fact, someone motivated by Islam (or even a misreading of Islam). When this is all said and done it will almost certainly have been motivated by either alcohol, drugs, mental illness, or straightforward injured male pride, just like almost every other violent event in this country. In more ignorant and idiotic countries he’d have had a gun. I’m glad I’ve moved somewhere he only had a knife, and most (if not all) of the injured will pull through.

tim333 1y ago

I'm not sure describing the behaviour of some religious group in inherently racist. What race is islam?

foldr 1y ago
You think stabbing people on trains is an accurate description of the behavior of Muslims as a religious group? If not, what is your point exactly? Prejudice against Muslims, or those perceived as Muslims, is often closely linked to racialised conceptions of them (see e.g. that adorable woman who thought that Obama was an ‘Arab’ back in the day). But anyway, if it’s not racism per se it’s just some other equally indefensible prejudice that we could well do without.