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You think the person at the TSA that gets paid 40k a year is better at facial recognition than a computer?

by bko 1y ago

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snovv_crash 1y ago
Having worked in this space (ID verification of live-humans to ID documents), yes, I absolutely think people are better at the 1:1 person:document yes/no question than I think an AI model is at saying which of 200M people this face is. Just having a prior of a physical document with their name and likeness on it already makes up 1 factor of the N-factor authentication.
- bko 1y ago
  If you really worked in this space you would know that AI models don't scan 200M people because... why would they? Seems kind of weird.
  - snovv_crash 1y ago
    The database of potential US citizens that could be matched to a face scan is where the 200M comes from.
  - queenkjuul 1y ago
    So the model is verifying faces against ... A database of zero faces? Surely there's 200M faces in there, or else how does it work?
    - ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
      >So the model is verifying faces against ... A database of zero faces? Surely there's 200M faces in there, or else how does it work? No. The model is, "Hey! this guy is being a pain in the ass. He even claimed that The President wasn't blessed with superintelligence and doesn't actually smell really good! We need to get this terrorist off the streets! He sure looks a whole lot like that illegal on the FBI most wanted list, doesn't he? Off to CECOT with him! What's that? He's a twelfth generation citizen? No way! Look, the app I used to claim this guy matches an illegal who's also a child rapist! Your papers are all fake (if, as a citizen he's even carrying them). Onto the plane with you Senor. That's the model. Feel free to disagree, but come back and reread this comment in 18 months. I hope you read it then and think "what a paranoid guy! Nothing like that could ever happen here!" But I'm not holding my breath. :(
      - actionfromafar 1y ago
        In 18 months the discussion will have moved on to make excuses for the conentration camps. Alligator Auschwitz and such camps must be much larger to hold everyone.
      - queenkjuul 1y ago
        Buddy I'm well aware of the American gestapo and their present actions I'm just pointing out the absurdity of claiming there's no faces in the facial recognition database
Larrikin 1y ago
Stop presenting your opinion with no evidence as obvious facts on the ground that people need to argue against with sources.
tchalla 1y ago
Are you saying that a computer should be trusted without human intervention? If so, I have a computer right now that says you should be banned on the Internet.
novemp 1y ago
Yes.
atmavatar 1y ago
It's likely the TSA employee's five year old child is better at facial recognition than a computer, too.
- bko 1y ago
  Please don't spread unscientific misinformation. You can say ICE bad, or you don't believe in borders, but saying computer facial recognition is inaccurate compared to humans is just factually incorrect. https://pages.nist.gov/frvt/html/frvt11.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://pages.nist.gov/frvt/html/frvt11.html?utm_source=chat...
  - Kinrany 1y ago
    Better-than-human facial recognition existing doesn't mean that all facial recognition technology is that good.
  - esseph 1y ago
    https://abc7ny.com/post/man-falsely-jailed-nypds-facial-recognition-surveillance-tech-failed/17664671/ https://abc7ny.com/post/man-falsely-jailed-nypds-facial-reco... https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/12/rite-aid-banned-using-ai-facial-recognition-after-ftc-says-retailer-deployed-technology-without https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/12/... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jan/24/met-police-begin-using-live-facial-recognition-cameras https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jan/24/met-polic... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00146-023-01634-z https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00146-023-01634-z https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/blog/facial-recognition-bias/ https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/blog/facial-recognition... https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2479&context=honors_capstone https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2479&con... Yeah it's pretty fucking shit, actually. Here's the science.
    - verdverm 1y ago
      Looks like GP is using ChatGPT (see the utm_source in their link) to find the first result that supports their viewpoint rather than doing a broad discovery and analysis
rpdillon 1y ago
People are exceptionally good at facial recognition because of the Fusiform face area, which is a specialized portion of the temporal lobe optimized for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area

You think the person at the TSA that gets paid 40k a year is better at facial recognition than a computer?

by bko 1y ago

You think the person at the TSA that gets paid 40k a year is better at facial recognition than a computer?

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snovv_crash 1y ago

Having worked in this space (ID verification of live-humans to ID documents), yes, I absolutely think people are better at the 1:1 person:document yes/no question than I think an AI model is at saying which of 200M people this face is. Just having a prior of a physical document with their name and likeness on it already makes up 1 factor of the N-factor authentication.

bko 1y ago
If you really worked in this space you would know that AI models don't scan 200M people because... why would they? Seems kind of weird.
- snovv_crash 1y ago
  The database of potential US citizens that could be matched to a face scan is where the 200M comes from.
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  So the model is verifying faces against ... A database of zero faces? Surely there's 200M faces in there, or else how does it work?
  - ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
    >So the model is verifying faces against ... A database of zero faces? Surely there's 200M faces in there, or else how does it work? No. The model is, "Hey! this guy is being a pain in the ass. He even claimed that The President wasn't blessed with superintelligence and doesn't actually smell really good! We need to get this terrorist off the streets! He sure looks a whole lot like that illegal on the FBI most wanted list, doesn't he? Off to CECOT with him! What's that? He's a twelfth generation citizen? No way! Look, the app I used to claim this guy matches an illegal who's also a child rapist! Your papers are all fake (if, as a citizen he's even carrying them). Onto the plane with you Senor. That's the model. Feel free to disagree, but come back and reread this comment in 18 months. I hope you read it then and think "what a paranoid guy! Nothing like that could ever happen here!" But I'm not holding my breath. :(
    - actionfromafar 1y ago
      In 18 months the discussion will have moved on to make excuses for the conentration camps. Alligator Auschwitz and such camps must be much larger to hold everyone.
    - queenkjuul 1y ago
      Buddy I'm well aware of the American gestapo and their present actions I'm just pointing out the absurdity of claiming there's no faces in the facial recognition database

Larrikin 1y ago

Stop presenting your opinion with no evidence as obvious facts on the ground that people need to argue against with sources.

tchalla 1y ago

Are you saying that a computer should be trusted without human intervention? If so, I have a computer right now that says you should be banned on the Internet.

novemp 1y ago

Yes.

atmavatar 1y ago

It's likely the TSA employee's five year old child is better at facial recognition than a computer, too.

bko 1y ago
Please don't spread unscientific misinformation. You can say ICE bad, or you don't believe in borders, but saying computer facial recognition is inaccurate compared to humans is just factually incorrect. https://pages.nist.gov/frvt/html/frvt11.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://pages.nist.gov/frvt/html/frvt11.html?utm_source=chat...
- Kinrany 1y ago
  Better-than-human facial recognition existing doesn't mean that all facial recognition technology is that good.
- esseph 1y ago
  https://abc7ny.com/post/man-falsely-jailed-nypds-facial-recognition-surveillance-tech-failed/17664671/ https://abc7ny.com/post/man-falsely-jailed-nypds-facial-reco... https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/12/rite-aid-banned-using-ai-facial-recognition-after-ftc-says-retailer-deployed-technology-without https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/12/... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jan/24/met-police-begin-using-live-facial-recognition-cameras https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jan/24/met-polic... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00146-023-01634-z https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00146-023-01634-z https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/blog/facial-recognition-bias/ https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/blog/facial-recognition... https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2479&context=honors_capstone https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2479&con... Yeah it's pretty fucking shit, actually. Here's the science.
  - verdverm 1y ago
    Looks like GP is using ChatGPT (see the utm_source in their link) to find the first result that supports their viewpoint rather than doing a broad discovery and analysis

rpdillon 1y ago

People are exceptionally good at facial recognition because of the Fusiform face area, which is a specialized portion of the temporal lobe optimized for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area