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>Will ICE get it right? Hands on the ground don't read the laws, they only bring people before the person who actually knows them. So no, ICE goons will do th

>Will ICE get it right? Hands on the ground don't read the laws, they only bring people before the person who actually knows them. So no, ICE goons will do the basic thing -- check how white the person is, if not white enough, ask for documents, if documents are not convincing enough to them, snatch the person and let the more nuanced decisions to be made by those who can read. Now if the person above them isn't agreeing with interpretation of the law that was used to issue those documents, it's sitting in the jail waiting for a judge time.

danaris 1y ago
Except that to all appearances, most of the time ICE isn't actually bringing them before people who actually know the law: they're throwing them in concentration camps. Or even when they do end up before someone who knows the law, and that someone says "no, this is illegal, you have to set them free," they say "nah, we can do what we want" and put them on a plane to another country unrelated to the hapless detainee.
- kjksf 1y ago
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  - fabian2k 1y ago
    They put a whole lot of children onto a plane in the middle of the night to deport them. This was only stopped because laywers got wind of it and a federal judge intervened almost immediately on the weekend. They are trying to bypass any review by being fast and creating facts that prevent US judges from any effective action as once people are outside US jurisdiction they have very little power. And immigration judges are not actual judges, they are part of the executive.
  - boston_clone 1y ago
    bit of a motte and bailey, there. you’re responding to a comment which states detainees are being sent to concentration camps, places like the deplorably named Alligator Alcatraz. i don’t think we should conflate that as deportation.
adrr 1y ago
Administration view is that if you're not citizen, you don't get due process[1]. Even if you're a citizen, if their system says your not, you'll never get brought in front of people who know the law. Why due process only works if everyone gets it otherwise the government will say your a class that doesn't get it even if you aren't. 1)https://www.wral.com/story/fact-check-trump-says-immigrants-in-u-s-illegally-have-different-due-process-standards/22043736/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.wral.com/story/fact-check-trump-says-immigrants-...
- refurb 1y ago
  This isn’t new under Trump. But it’s entertaining watching everyone pretend it is. Obama had similar rules around standing deportation orders and how quickly they could be executed once an alien was in custody. If you’ve stood before a judge, argued why you should be allowed to stay and lost, you have a standing deportation order. That’s due process. Nothing has been denied. It makes for a great talking point but is a pretty shallow analysis of what is going on or their historical relevance.
  - MSFT_Edging 1y ago
    While Obama, Biden, and Trump all had cruel deportation policies, the previous two didn't have 5-figure bonuses for a deportation. Additionally, the performative method of how they're looking for deportations, its random, violent, and meant to send a message of powerlessness and fear. The point is fear and cruelty. As was Family separation under Biden, the cruelty is accelerating.
  - adrr 1y ago
    Trump is deporting US citizen with no due process. Lets not pretend this happened under Obama or Biden. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/28/man-deported-to-laos-despite-court-order-blocking-his-removal-attorneys-say-00626802 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/28/man-deported-to-lao...
    - refurb 1y ago
      You realize ICE responded to this claim? https://x.com/dhsgov/status/1983550041496117532?s=46 https://x.com/dhsgov/status/1983550041496117532?s=46 “This temporary restraining order was not served to ICE until AFTER the criminal illegal alien was removed….Following his heinous crimes, he lost his green card, and an immigration judge ordered him removed in 2006. 20 years later, he tried a Hail Mary attempt to remain in our country by claiming he was a U.S. citizen.”

danaris 1y ago

Except that to all appearances, most of the time ICE isn't actually bringing them before people who actually know the law: they're throwing them in concentration camps. Or even when they do end up before someone who knows the law, and that someone says "no, this is illegal, you have to set them free," they say "nah, we can do what we want" and put them on a plane to another country unrelated to the hapless detainee.

kjksf 1y ago
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- fabian2k 1y ago
  They put a whole lot of children onto a plane in the middle of the night to deport them. This was only stopped because laywers got wind of it and a federal judge intervened almost immediately on the weekend. They are trying to bypass any review by being fast and creating facts that prevent US judges from any effective action as once people are outside US jurisdiction they have very little power. And immigration judges are not actual judges, they are part of the executive.
- boston_clone 1y ago
  bit of a motte and bailey, there. you’re responding to a comment which states detainees are being sent to concentration camps, places like the deplorably named Alligator Alcatraz. i don’t think we should conflate that as deportation.

adrr 1y ago

Administration view is that if you're not citizen, you don't get due process[1]. Even if you're a citizen, if their system says your not, you'll never get brought in front of people who know the law. Why due process only works if everyone gets it otherwise the government will say your a class that doesn't get it even if you aren't. 1)https://www.wral.com/story/fact-check-trump-says-immigrants-in-u-s-illegally-have-different-due-process-standards/22043736/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.wral.com/story/fact-check-trump-says-immigrants-...

refurb 1y ago
This isn’t new under Trump. But it’s entertaining watching everyone pretend it is. Obama had similar rules around standing deportation orders and how quickly they could be executed once an alien was in custody. If you’ve stood before a judge, argued why you should be allowed to stay and lost, you have a standing deportation order. That’s due process. Nothing has been denied. It makes for a great talking point but is a pretty shallow analysis of what is going on or their historical relevance.
- MSFT_Edging 1y ago
  While Obama, Biden, and Trump all had cruel deportation policies, the previous two didn't have 5-figure bonuses for a deportation. Additionally, the performative method of how they're looking for deportations, its random, violent, and meant to send a message of powerlessness and fear. The point is fear and cruelty. As was Family separation under Biden, the cruelty is accelerating.
- adrr 1y ago
  Trump is deporting US citizen with no due process. Lets not pretend this happened under Obama or Biden. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/28/man-deported-to-laos-despite-court-order-blocking-his-removal-attorneys-say-00626802 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/28/man-deported-to-lao...
  - refurb 1y ago
    You realize ICE responded to this claim? https://x.com/dhsgov/status/1983550041496117532?s=46 https://x.com/dhsgov/status/1983550041496117532?s=46 “This temporary restraining order was not served to ICE until AFTER the criminal illegal alien was removed….Following his heinous crimes, he lost his green card, and an immigration judge ordered him removed in 2006. 20 years later, he tried a Hail Mary attempt to remain in our country by claiming he was a U.S. citizen.”