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Nutella maker in hazelnut stand-off with Turkish dealers
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- bookofjoe 1y agohttps://archive.ph/8teI6 https://archive.ph/8teI6
- jjgreen 1y agoGood read, thanks
- dtagames 1y agoIt's odd that a publication like the Financial Times can't be bothered to use the correct name of the country, which is Türkiye and has been officially since 2022, per the UN. Less rigor might be expected from a less erudite magazine, but these folks should know better.
- bookofjoe 1y ago>Name of Turkey The name for the country Turkey is derived (via Old French Turquie) from the Medieval Latin Turchia, Turquia, from Medieval Greek Τουρκία, itself being Τούρκος (borrowed into Latin as Turcus, 'A Turk, Turkish'). It is first recorded in Middle English (as Turkye, Torke, later Turkie, Turky), attested in Chaucer, c. 1369. The Ottoman Empire was commonly referred to as Turkey or the Turkish Empire among its contemporaries. The word ultimately originates from the autonym Türk, first recorded in the Bugut inscription (as in its plural form türküt) and the Hüis Tolgoi Inscription (as türǖg) of the 6th century, and later, in the Orkhon inscriptions and the Tariat inscriptions (as both türük and türk) (𐱅𐰇𐰼𐰜) of the 8th century. In 2022, the Turkish government requested the United Nations and other international organizations to use Türkiye officially in English, to which they agreed.[1][2] Turkey has remained the common and conventional name in the English language. Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Turkey
- mc32 1y agoTurks can't force language usage -least of all English which does not have a governing body. It's like demanding they obey native language spellings for any number of countries. Go ahead, demand that Turkey spell China using hanzi. It's ludicrous. It's like Spain asking English speakers to spelll Spain "Espanna" (but using a tilde on one of the ens and removing the second en.)
- wqaatwt 1y agoMost countries don’t use the correct name of Deutschland. Quite a few don’t even use Germany. Let’s not even mention Netherlands… > but these folks should know better I’m 100% sure they know and I assume it was a conscious decision.
- dtagames 1y agoTürkiye is the official name in English.
- okeuro49 1y ago"Turkey" is what most English people would use, which makes it the defacto official name, despite what the UN might say. Most English people aren't even able to type ü on a keyboard.
- bookofjoe 1y ago>Turkey has remained the common and conventional name in the English language.
- hollerith 1y agoWriters in the free countries are not required to follow a naming suggestion by the Turkish government or the UN.
- anigbrowl 1y agoEnglish doesn't have umlauts.
- lm28469 1y agoIt clearly is the most pressing matter Turkey is facing
- wara23arish 1y agoIt’s Turkey and literally no one cares. Turkish gov or UN can’t dictate language
- bakql 1y agoYep. Just like Kiev.
- knowitnone3 1y agoall they have to do is add more sugar to make up for the missing hazelnut
- ReptileMan 1y agoThey already do. Compare the Nutella made in Poland to the one in Germany.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoRegional taste preferences IMO.
- netsharc 1y agoHow much weight does your "IMO" carry? https://www.nhh.no/en/research-centres/food/food-news/2017/september/east-european-shoppers-are-cheated-with-inferior-products/ https://www.nhh.no/en/research-centres/food/food-news/2017/s...
- jeroenhd 1y agoThat article also states: > Coca-Cola, whose drink in Slovenian stores was found by researchers there to contain more sugar and more syrup than that sold in Austria, responded by saying it adapted its recipe to local tastes. In other words, Slovenia gets a better deal on Coca Cola but a worse deal on strawberry yogurt. Without more direct counter examples, that only seems to validate the claims made by manufacturers. While there is plenty of proof that some companies are selling inferior products of their name-brand product in poorer countries, that doesn't mean a difference in taste automatically means it's part of some big conspiracy. Local preferences do actually differ and companies that don't account for that only stand to lose customers.
- F3nd0 1y agoHow do more sugar and syrup constitute a better deal? Shouldn’t the better formula result in a good-tasting drink using less sugar and syrup, i.e. what Austria seems to have?
- dkural 1y agoGrowing hazelnuts is labor-intensive, back-breaking work in Turkey's northern (Black Sea) coast. It's also a key part of the rural economy of the region.
- frankosaurus 1y agoBack in August, the Odd Lots Podcast had a good show about speculation in hazelnuts. As I recall, Ferrero buys like 25% of the world's hazelnut supply.
- Thrymr 1y agoHazelnut politics are a big deal in Europe [0]. [0] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/06/09/how-a-hazelnut-spread-became-a-sticking-point-in-franco-algerian-relations https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/06/09/how-a-hazelnut... (archive link: https://archive.is/1UTf3 https://archive.is/1UTf3)
- jongjong 1y agoThe Turkish nut dealers will cave in first once their pantry at home runs out of Nutella.
- bayindirh 1y agoWe have a lot of local alternatives, some with better taste and better ingredients (e.g.: no palm oil). On the other hand, the nut dealers can make theirs at home if they want to.
- jeroenhd 1y agoWith Fererro buying up a quarter of the world's supply in hazelnuts and two thirds of the world's supply coming out of Turkey, I think a lot of farmers won't have the money to make their own spreads if they lose the Italians as a customer.
- bayindirh 1y agoWe have other companies which buy the supply, too. So, IDK ;) P.S.: As farmers need money, Ferrero needs the nuts. It's complicated.
- fakedang 1y agoHave you heard of Ülker? Turkish brand that's way cheaper and less oilier than Nutella. If Turkey decided to cut down Nutella's hazelnut supply, there would be short term pain for the Turkish farmers but only until Ülker covers for their demand. Meanwhile Nutella would be sent scampering to reneg across its entire supply chain.
- zpeti 1y agoIs it just me or did nutella go from almost solid to much more fluid about 5 years ago? And it got slightly darker? Anybody know what happened? The texture definitely changed.
- hulitu 1y agoCaramel ? Nutela is 56% sugar and 30% fat.
- hinkley 1y agoTo be fair that’s a reasonable ingredient set for making caramel.
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- hinkley 1y agoFat reduced cocoa and vegetable oil seems like an odd choice. Wouldn’t that mean more processing of ingredients to end in a similar spot? You’ve removed the cocoa butter and replace it with something else.
- fhars 1y agoCocoa butter is more expensive than palm oil.
- bayindirh 1y agoThat information is false. German Nutella also contains palm oil. See the image: https://germandelistore.com/media/image/00/b6/84/ferrero_nutella_back.jpg https://germandelistore.com/media/image/00/b6/84/ferrero_nut... That label matches the 1KG jar came as a present from our German friends. It's marketed as "7 quality ingredients, that's all".
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- tipst 1y agoPurchase from Georgia etc. instead. No need to feed Turks' economy.
- riffraff 1y agoFerrero used a quater of the world hazelnut production (they have been starting up their own orchards too). Turkey is the largest producer (2/3 of the global supply), and is accessible without import fees due to customs union with the EU, so it can't be replaced easily.
- bayindirh 1y ago> No need to feed Turks' economy. Any special reason?
- juliusceasar 1y agoI would say stop buying from Georgia, stops the funding of Putin's puppets in their government.
- jeroenhd 1y agoAccording to this map (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/hazelnut-production-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/hazelnut-...), Georgia doesn't come close to producing enough hazelnuts to compensate for the difference. With Ferrero purchasing a quarter of the world's hazelnuts, and Turkey producing 650k tonnes, which is about 2/3rds of the world, that means that even if Ferrero was already sourcing from different countries, that means dropping Turkey as a source would leave Ferrero with a total purchase of about 230 tonnes. With Georgia producing about 37k tonnes, they'd need to buy everything and also the entire US and European supply. In practice, they'll probably already be purchasing from those countries so they'd need to seek out even more sources, maybe build their own overseas farms to compensate. There is no real alternative to importing from Turkey.
- riffraff 1y ago> poor harvest and infestation of brown marmorated stink bug drove up prices Holy cow, I live in central europe and the amount of these bugs this year has been insane, I find a dozen of these per day in my apartment. I fear we should have started some eradication effort years ago and it's already too late, these bugs feed on a bunch of crops, and will damage yields massively.
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