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No, it's just that the user will not put up with a system like GrapheneOS.

Sanzig 1y ago
How so? Graphene is perfectly useable for a non-technical user. And once you install Play Store, it's almost indistinguishable UX-wise from any other Android phone.
- udev4096 1y ago
  He's a fucking ignorant normie. He has never even tried to install GOS because if he did, he would know how almost identical the experience is with Android and there are no privileged google processes running on your phone which not only hog the resources but sends every single bit of information about your whole life
  - saagarjha 1y ago
    I have tried installing it, for your information
- kube-system 1y ago
  “Install an OS on your phone” is nonsensical to 99.99% of users. You’re in a tech bubble.
  - Sanzig 1y ago
    I'm not talking about installation. I'm talking about using the OS once it's installed.
    - kube-system 1y ago
      It’s a distinction without a difference when Graphene is installed by zero OEMs.
      - Sanzig 1y ago
        I mean, I'm not sure what you expect the GrapheneOS project to do about that. I'm sure they'd love to provide hardware if they could, but they are a small nonprofit. They are currently working with an undisclosed OEM to to provide official support on an upcoming phone, which may lead to factory-installed options in the future if all goes well.
- saagarjha 1y ago
  If you look around this thread you will find plenty of people explaining what doesn’t work for them. Of course the GrapheneOS people will explain that this is actually the fault of the banks or the apps or whatever and I would probably agree, but that still makes it hard to recommend to casual users.
udev4096 1y ago
Put up what exactly? You think privacy and security is readily available to everyone who just desires so? If by "put up", you mean not even putting normal efforts, then sure. That user, along with you, fully deserves to get tracked, profiled and fingerprinted to the maximum extent of mass surveillance
- saagarjha 1y ago
  > You think privacy and security is readily available to everyone who just desires so? No, I but I would like to make it so. I find your view that people “deserve” privacy to be incredibly depressing and antithetical to the spirit of user empowerment.

How so? Graphene is perfectly useable for a non-technical user. And once you install Play Store, it's almost indistinguishable UX-wise from any other Android phone.

udev4096 1y ago
He's a fucking ignorant normie. He has never even tried to install GOS because if he did, he would know how almost identical the experience is with Android and there are no privileged google processes running on your phone which not only hog the resources but sends every single bit of information about your whole life
- saagarjha 1y ago
  I have tried installing it, for your information
kube-system 1y ago
“Install an OS on your phone” is nonsensical to 99.99% of users. You’re in a tech bubble.
- Sanzig 1y ago
  I'm not talking about installation. I'm talking about using the OS once it's installed.
  - kube-system 1y ago
    It’s a distinction without a difference when Graphene is installed by zero OEMs.
    - Sanzig 1y ago
      I mean, I'm not sure what you expect the GrapheneOS project to do about that. I'm sure they'd love to provide hardware if they could, but they are a small nonprofit. They are currently working with an undisclosed OEM to to provide official support on an upcoming phone, which may lead to factory-installed options in the future if all goes well.
saagarjha 1y ago
If you look around this thread you will find plenty of people explaining what doesn’t work for them. Of course the GrapheneOS people will explain that this is actually the fault of the banks or the apps or whatever and I would probably agree, but that still makes it hard to recommend to casual users.

udev4096 1y ago

Put up what exactly? You think privacy and security is readily available to everyone who just desires so? If by "put up", you mean not even putting normal efforts, then sure. That user, along with you, fully deserves to get tracked, profiled and fingerprinted to the maximum extent of mass surveillance

saagarjha 1y ago
> You think privacy and security is readily available to everyone who just desires so? No, I but I would like to make it so. I find your view that people “deserve” privacy to be incredibly depressing and antithetical to the spirit of user empowerment.