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No, you don't have to. It's just annoying when people give talks, or make interesting videos for a product and they forget about people who may be hard of heari

by veb 14y ago

No, you don't have to. It's just annoying when people give talks, or make interesting videos for a product and they forget about people who may be hard of hearing, Deaf or from overseas. That's such a big chunk of the market that they're missing out on.

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stephengillie 14y ago
Or people working in noisy places, or those without headphones or forgot them, etc.
milesskorpen 14y ago
While I think it would be great to provide the video to the whole market, I'm somewhat sympathetic — making a video takes a long time. Subbing it would make things take a lot longer. I could understand people deciding to just do an MVP which works for 90+% of the market.
tisme 14y ago
> No, you don't have to. Hehe, too late. Sorry ;) Enjoy! And I agree that there should be more consideration for people that are hard of hearing or deaf. Slides are a lot easer in this respect.
pc86 14y ago
It sucks that you have to put up with this, but let's not pretend it's a "big chunk." According to the Journal of Deaf Studies and Deaf Education, an article published in 2005 cites 11MM HOH and deaf individuals in the United States[1]. The Population Reference Bureau cites 296MM US citizens in the same year[2]. It's important to note that according to the first source, "over half" of those that are HOH or deaf are over 65 - likely not the target market of this video. Even if we were to completely ignore the demographic issue of who makes up the majority of HOH and deaf individuals, we're talking about just over 3.7% of the population in the US (I would assume it's roughly similar when extrapolated to the entire internet population). I think that anyone for whom the HOH and deaf population was a target market would certain take every opportunity to make their materials accessible. [1] http://jdsde.oxfordjournals.org/content/11/1/112.full http://jdsde.oxfordjournals.org/content/11/1/112.full - ABSTRACT [2] http://www.prb.org/pdf05/05worlddatasheet_eng.pdf http://www.prb.org/pdf05/05worlddatasheet_eng.pdf - PAGE 2
- dllthomas 14y ago
  It's a much bigger chunk if you include those with missing/broken speakers, easily annoyed roommates, a loud environment, or who are otherwise incapable of listening to sound, permanently or transiently.
  - davidw 14y ago
    I loathe videos where text + pictures would suffice, and will not watch them if at all possible.
    - dllthomas 14y ago
      "Loathe" is way too strong but I also prefer writing to video most of the time. Still, I prefer video-with-subtitles to video-without-subtitles, if it's going to be video regardless, so I don't need to fish out headphones or whatnot.
    - dkersten 14y ago
      I like to scan articles quickly for keywords/key phrases/diagrams/code snippets. I'm often put off when something is in video for simply because this is not easy to do. Together with the sound issue in my other comment, this means that I often end up never watching videos that provide content I would otherwise have enjoyed or found useful. Am I the one missing out? Probably, but I also pass a lot of content that I do like around to lots of people, so the authors also lose out on a potential fanbase/readership/whatever.
  - alttag 14y ago
    I can't reply to the sibling comment (davidw's) about video (level cap?), but I vehemently agree. I can read much faster than most people speak, (and can't "skim" a spoken monologue), so I almost always prefer text to video. I'm feeling increasingly like an old gaffer complaining about these "young 'uns" and their "yoo tubes" (at a middling 30-something), but I see this trend toward video when text would suffice as evidence of a societal lack of good (writing) education. Sure, in the OP's instance, it's a presentation he made to someone else, so a video is probably easiest, but this was a good opportunity to rant. EDIT: And now the reply link appears. Weird.
aroberge 14y ago
It is always much easier to criticize the work of others than to do similar work. Can't you be grateful that the author shared something of value, even if it is not perfect, rather than just deciding not to share because 1) there are no subtitles; 2) even if there were subtitles, they were only available in English; 3) the choice of colors is not optimal for people that are color blind; etc. Should they give up on sharing it, because they do not have the time to invest in making it better?
- frio 14y ago
  Wow, this... surprised me. The lack of subtitles is a perfectly valid criticism. Going off on the guy because he asked for them is reasonably harsh.
  - aroberge 14y ago
    Do you have any idea how long it takes to add subtitles to a video? My point was, and still is, that it is always easier to criticize work of others (and complain when something is "missing") than doing the work yourself. If someone had come out and said: I've produced X videos and added subtitles to Y (where both X and Y are relatively large numbers) and I am disappointed that so few authors do the same ... then I would respect the statement as valid criticism.
    - frio 14y ago
      How can he do the work himself if he can't hear?
      - aroberge 14y ago
        You don't need to hear to produce your own videos AND add subtitles to them. Some people create, others criticize.
      - abraham 14y ago
        _hard of hearing_ and _can't hear_ are very different.
JoeCortopassi 14y ago
"Wow, thank you tisme for taking the time to hand transcribe the video so I can understand what was going on. Must have taken a long time" ^FTFY
- maxerickson 14y ago
  Prior to there being a transcription in the comment, there was an offer to do the transcription.
stickfigure 14y ago
The author isn't forgetting people who are hard of hearing; he's just not addressing them. It's a perfectly legitimate choice to make. It sucks for you. It also sucks for the people who don't read Clojure. You can't blame the author because he isn't catering to your needs. I've made webcast videos before. It's not easy. I also didn't caption them because it's a hell of a lot of work. Sorry. You can ask, but you can't expect.

by veb 14y ago

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stephengillie 14y ago

Or people working in noisy places, or those without headphones or forgot them, etc.

milesskorpen 14y ago

While I think it would be great to provide the video to the whole market, I'm somewhat sympathetic — making a video takes a long time. Subbing it would make things take a lot longer. I could understand people deciding to just do an MVP which works for 90+% of the market.

tisme 14y ago

> No, you don't have to. Hehe, too late. Sorry ;) Enjoy! And I agree that there should be more consideration for people that are hard of hearing or deaf. Slides are a lot easer in this respect.

pc86 14y ago

It sucks that you have to put up with this, but let's not pretend it's a "big chunk." According to the Journal of Deaf Studies and Deaf Education, an article published in 2005 cites 11MM HOH and deaf individuals in the United States[1]. The Population Reference Bureau cites 296MM US citizens in the same year[2]. It's important to note that according to the first source, "over half" of those that are HOH or deaf are over 65 - likely not the target market of this video. Even if we were to completely ignore the demographic issue of who makes up the majority of HOH and deaf individuals, we're talking about just over 3.7% of the population in the US (I would assume it's roughly similar when extrapolated to the entire internet population). I think that anyone for whom the HOH and deaf population was a target market would certain take every opportunity to make their materials accessible. [1] http://jdsde.oxfordjournals.org/content/11/1/112.full http://jdsde.oxfordjournals.org/content/11/1/112.full - ABSTRACT [2] http://www.prb.org/pdf05/05worlddatasheet_eng.pdf http://www.prb.org/pdf05/05worlddatasheet_eng.pdf - PAGE 2

dllthomas 14y ago
It's a much bigger chunk if you include those with missing/broken speakers, easily annoyed roommates, a loud environment, or who are otherwise incapable of listening to sound, permanently or transiently.
- davidw 14y ago
  I loathe videos where text + pictures would suffice, and will not watch them if at all possible.
  - dllthomas 14y ago
    "Loathe" is way too strong but I also prefer writing to video most of the time. Still, I prefer video-with-subtitles to video-without-subtitles, if it's going to be video regardless, so I don't need to fish out headphones or whatnot.
  - dkersten 14y ago
    I like to scan articles quickly for keywords/key phrases/diagrams/code snippets. I'm often put off when something is in video for simply because this is not easy to do. Together with the sound issue in my other comment, this means that I often end up never watching videos that provide content I would otherwise have enjoyed or found useful. Am I the one missing out? Probably, but I also pass a lot of content that I do like around to lots of people, so the authors also lose out on a potential fanbase/readership/whatever.
- alttag 14y ago
  I can't reply to the sibling comment (davidw's) about video (level cap?), but I vehemently agree. I can read much faster than most people speak, (and can't "skim" a spoken monologue), so I almost always prefer text to video. I'm feeling increasingly like an old gaffer complaining about these "young 'uns" and their "yoo tubes" (at a middling 30-something), but I see this trend toward video when text would suffice as evidence of a societal lack of good (writing) education. Sure, in the OP's instance, it's a presentation he made to someone else, so a video is probably easiest, but this was a good opportunity to rant. EDIT: And now the reply link appears. Weird.

aroberge 14y ago

It is always much easier to criticize the work of others than to do similar work. Can't you be grateful that the author shared something of value, even if it is not perfect, rather than just deciding not to share because 1) there are no subtitles; 2) even if there were subtitles, they were only available in English; 3) the choice of colors is not optimal for people that are color blind; etc. Should they give up on sharing it, because they do not have the time to invest in making it better?

frio 14y ago
Wow, this... surprised me. The lack of subtitles is a perfectly valid criticism. Going off on the guy because he asked for them is reasonably harsh.
- aroberge 14y ago
  Do you have any idea how long it takes to add subtitles to a video? My point was, and still is, that it is always easier to criticize work of others (and complain when something is "missing") than doing the work yourself. If someone had come out and said: I've produced X videos and added subtitles to Y (where both X and Y are relatively large numbers) and I am disappointed that so few authors do the same ... then I would respect the statement as valid criticism.
  - frio 14y ago
    How can he do the work himself if he can't hear?
    - aroberge 14y ago
      You don't need to hear to produce your own videos AND add subtitles to them. Some people create, others criticize.
    - abraham 14y ago
      _hard of hearing_ and _can't hear_ are very different.

JoeCortopassi 14y ago

"Wow, thank you tisme for taking the time to hand transcribe the video so I can understand what was going on. Must have taken a long time" ^FTFY

maxerickson 14y ago
Prior to there being a transcription in the comment, there was an offer to do the transcription.

stickfigure 14y ago

The author isn't forgetting people who are hard of hearing; he's just not addressing them. It's a perfectly legitimate choice to make. It sucks for you. It also sucks for the people who don't read Clojure. You can't blame the author because he isn't catering to your needs. I've made webcast videos before. It's not easy. I also didn't caption them because it's a hell of a lot of work. Sorry. You can ask, but you can't expect.