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Show HN: Strange Attractors
I went down the rabbit hole on a side project and ended up building this: Strange Attractors(https://blog.shashanktomar.com/posts/strange-attractors https://blog.shashanktomar.com/posts/strange-attractors). It’s built with three.js.
Working on it reminded me of the little "maths for fun" exercises I used to do while learning programming in early days. Just trying things out, getting fascinated and geeky, and being surprised by the results. I spent way too much time on this, but it was extreme fun.
My favorite part: someone pointed me to the Simone Attractor on Threads. It is a 2D attractor and I asked GPT to extrapolate it to 3D, not sure if it’s mathematically correct, but it’s the coolest by far. I have left all the params configurable, so give it a try. I called it Simone (Maybe).
If you like math-art experiments, check it out. Would love feedback, especially from folks who know more about the math side.
- Grosvenor 11mo agoThis is so cool. Back in highschool during the Jurassic age I used ti play with attractors a lot. Unfortunately on a 486 it took 20-30 minutes to draw one even at low resolution. This renders in realtime and in 3D. Great work! Still they've had a strong impact in how I see systems - orbits, instability, etc.
- cs702 11mo agoBeautiful. Thank you for sharing this on HN.
- JKCalhoun 11mo ago"IMSAI guy" created a Lorenz attractor circuit [1]. He talks more about it later [2]. I remember seeing the Lorenz attractor on some TV show about chaos. [1] https://youtu.be/0wD2WbG7loU https://youtu.be/0wD2WbG7loU [2] https://youtu.be/c14aXxlSxZk https://youtu.be/c14aXxlSxZk
- Loughla 11mo agoI got really into fractals and attractors when I was also really into mushrooms, lsd, and dmt during my graduate studies. It actually shaped my post doc work quite a bit and shifted my focus from individual classroom education to strategic systems analysis of entire university and k-12 institutions. Somewhere along the way, a switch flipped and allowed me to view complicated hierarchies like college systems as 2-d fractal geometry in my mind. I can't really explain it, but now that I consult, I can feel when a department is broken before I can prove it with data. It's like they don't fit or reflect the main structure of the institution. I would not suggest taking this route though. Maybe just take some graduate courses or something. Fun fact, though, defending your dissertation to a room of around 200 people while still feeling the effects of dmt is a really good way to induce a panic attack. Source: it's me. I'm source material.
- orzig 11mo agoHobbyists hacking around and sharing their art, best part of the Internet!
- hshdhdhehd 11mo agoVery pleasant to watch!
- adtac 11mo agotoo many of these vaguely look like what galaxies look like from earth e.g. https://i.imgur.com/ZjiBF8f.png https://i.imgur.com/ZjiBF8f.png just a coincidence?
- layer8 11mo agoGalaxies don't really look like that.
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- HeliumHydride 11mo agoHow can I code my own attractor?
- dmbche 11mo agoPick one and implement it. Find the equations to the lorentz attractor and use those if you need a suggestion.
- vis_lover 11mo agoSuper cool visulitations. Side note: Did anyone else know it was AI before reading the post? Mathematicians would be argent enough to assume the name was enough, displaying the algo when clicking the name was the give away.
- shashanktomar 11mo agoAuthor here, I have tried labeling the "More Information" sections as "AI Generated" where it was directly summarized from the wikipedia article, otherwise most of the post is written by me. I have taken help from AI to fact check and refine few things here and there, but boundaries are so blur now that am not sure if i should label the full post as AI Assisted.
- cableclasper 11mo agoVisualizations like this truly highlight how much there is to be gained from viewing the 3D phase space, but also how much richness we miss in >3D! (I wonder if there are slick ways to visualise the >3D case. Like, we can view 3D cross sections surely. Or maybe could we follow a Lagrangian particle and have it change colour according to the D (or combination of D) it is traversing? And do this for lots of particles? And plot their distributions to get a feeling for how much of phase space is being traversed?) This visualization also reminds me of the early debates in the history of statistical mechanics: How Boltzmann, Gibbs, Ehrenfest, Loschmidt and that entire conference of Geniuses must have all grappled with phase space and how macroscopic systems reach equilibrium. Great work Shashank!
- flatline 11mo agoThe conclusion I’ve come to from works like Flatland, 4D toys, etc., is that we simply don’t have the neural circuitry to grasp anything beyond three dimensions. We can reason about them, we can make inferences about the whole from partial understanding, but we cannot truly grasp more than three, or perhaps only for an instant of forced conceptualization using heuristics like you mentioned. Even three is a stretch, our minds have adapted to build a three dimensional realm from something like a 2.5 dimensional field of combined visual, tactile, and auditory stimuli. I suspect 3D reasoning itself is a huge adaptive trait compared to most other animals.
- cantor_S_drug 11mo agoDo you think an AI can learn this intuition by training it in similar environment?
- vincnetas 11mo agoCan we train our neurons? Like the experiment where human vision adapted to upside down image, could our brains somehow adapt to understanding 4D data from VR headset?
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- slicktux 11mo agoLorenz Equations and Chua Circuits probed with an analog oscilloscope is mesmerizing! Great videos of a Chua Circuit being probed with an analog scope… Also, plugging the circuit to a speaker via AUX port gives white noise ;)
- pkspks 11mo agoThis is absolutely stunning. Wonderful some function of the state of a point can give it colour.
- shashanktomar 11mo agoAuthor here, there is a setting to pick colour mode. I implemented it after similar suggestion by someone on twitter. Give it a try.
- pkspks 11mo agoIt already supports colour!
- jerf 11mo ago"not sure if it’s mathematically correct," There isn't always "a" correct extension into higher dimensions. There may be many, there may be none, and either way something "close enough" may well be interesting in its own right. If you'd like something concrete to poke at you can try searching around for people's adventures in trying to make a 3D Mandelbrot. I've seen a couple of good write-ups on those adventures. I don't know if anyone has ever landed on a "correct" solution, it's been years since I last looked, but certainly some very interesting possibilities have been found.
- Xophmeister 11mo agoNeat :) When I was a teenager, some 25+ years ago, I wrote a chaotic attractor visualiser like this — but only in 2D — and it occurred to me, “What if instead of visualising it, I rendered it to audio?” I don’t remember the details: I think frequency was correlated with polar angle and amplitude to magnitude. It forced me to learn how to write WAV format — which was my first introduction to endianness — but the result wasn’t completely inaudible! A bit like the sound effects for computers in old sci-fi movies; random(ish) but not discordant beeps and boops!
- gausswho 11mo agoAlong these lines there are at least two modules that I know of in Eurorack focused on strange attractors, and they're both a LOT of fun adding this kind of unpredictable-but-cyclical movement to your sounds: - Hypster by Nonlinear Circuits (https://modulargrid.net/e/nonlinearcircuits-ian-fritz-s-hypster https://modulargrid.net/e/nonlinearcircuits-ian-fritz-s-hyps...) - Orbit 3 by Joranalogue (https://modulargrid.net/e/joranalogue-audio-design-orbit-3 https://modulargrid.net/e/joranalogue-audio-design-orbit-3)
- metacortexx 11mo agoLove seeing projects like this, just pure curiosity, creativity, and fun
- Figs 11mo agoThe demo makes some nice spirals on the ends. They look like galaxies with the rendering. It reminded me of one of my (cranky) musings from back in college about galaxy formation and whether they were more like tossed pizzas (i.e. spreading out) than like whirlpools getting sucked in.
- aniijbod 11mo agoI don't care about the math, the computation, the physics. This is just by far the most beautiful thing(s) I have ever seen.
- neilpmas 11mo agoWell that's my productivity blown for the day. Love it.
- srvmshr 11mo agoCoincidentally enough, I dug out my 11th grade CS project on generating fractals from 2002 & modernized it using SFML graphics lib just this week. https://github.com/gradientwolf/fractals_SFML https://github.com/gradientwolf/fractals_SFML Your post gives me so much joy. These tiny little things take me back to teenage years, simpler times & when interests were different. (I put a little note as "why" in my GH repo readme)
- shashanktomar 11mo agoThanks a lot, it was clearly worth the effort.
- navigate8310 11mo agoThe way you explained the mathematical theory was very intuitive and refreshing. It would be every interesting to read if you could also write more on other topics of your interest.
- tmshapland 11mo agoBeautiful. Reminds me of starling murmurations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4f_1_r80RY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4f_1_r80RY
- felipelalli 11mo agoI have no idea what is this, but it's beautiful.
- imoverclocked 11mo agoReminds me of the xscreensaver, “strange” :)
- sunjester 11mo agoreminds me of phong. https://phong.com/ https://phong.com/
- Sreenington 11mo agothis is so cool! would be awesome if you can add params to mess with a and b value so we can "find" our own strange attractor patterns. maybe a free mode?
- shashanktomar 11mo agoAuthor here, it already supports that for the best attractors. On phone there is a menubar at bottom, on desktop you can’t miss it.
- Atiscant 11mo agoAbsolutely great. Thank you for sharing.
- bntr 11mo agoGreat visualization! It would be good to add some fog for a better perception of 3D.
- gigatexal 11mo agoThis is mesmerizing and very cool. Thank you!
- GistNoesis 11mo agoHow do I write my custom attractor equation ?
- eps 11mo agoMesmerizing stuff. Can you allow changing attractor control constants without resetting the sim? E.g. going from 0.19 to 0.21 in Thomas while it's already in a stable state. It's be interesting to see what'll happen.
- axi0m 11mo agoI'd like one of these as my screen saver. Great work!
- nxpnsv 11mo agoThis is really pretty. A loong time ago when I wrote a Lorentz attractor on my 486 with turbo pascal and inline assembler, I could only dream of such smoothness back then...
- ilovefood 11mo agoSuper cool and well done. They are much better in 3D! :) I made a similar experiment a while ago and randomized the parameters. Given it's difficult to stumble on a stable arrangement, I turned it into a small game to find pretty ones: (big disclaimer: this involves NFT tech, please skip if you're against that sort of stuff) https://karimjedda.com/symmetry-in-chaos-my-first-generative-nft-collection-on-polkadot/ https://karimjedda.com/symmetry-in-chaos-my-first-generative...
- Libidinalecon 11mo agoReally visually wonderful. I tried to self learn about nonlinear dynamics after reading about Takens's theorem last year but I have to admit, I have no idea what an attractor is actually showing like this. This might be inspiration to try to grasp these ideas again. Rotating the Lorenz makes me think otherwise though because given the amount of time I put into this, I should understand that much more than I do. Chance and Chaos by David Ruelle is a wonderful little book.
- sometimes_all 11mo agoThis gives me Johnny Quest theme song vibes.
- dmarinus 11mo agovery nice, if you want to know more of the history of chaos I recommend the following book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos%3A_Making_a_New_Science?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos%3A_Making_a_New_Science?...
- virgil_disgr4ce 11mo agoIt's a nice coincidence to find this post on HN today as I JUST finished reading Gleick's book. But it was the audiobook version, which I immediately realized was not going to be very effective if I can't see any images or equations. And so it's perfect timing to see this outstanding interactive visualization!
- teunlao 11mo agoLearned more about attractors dragging this around than from wiki. This is how math should be taught.
- atombender 11mo agoI bought "Strange Attractors: Creating Patterns in Chaos" (1993) by J. C. Sprott recently, which is a fun book about these kinds of attractors. The whole book can be downloaded online [1] from the author's web site [2]. It's such a typical object of its time. Garishly colored cover, comes with a floppy disk (!) and there are even 3D glasses to view some of the stereoscopic color plates (unfortunately these were missing from the used copy I got). I was surprised to find that most of the programs are in BASIC (maybe easier to do graphics on Windows back then?), though a small number of them are in C. It's a nice book, and the author seems to have a lot of publications about chaotic systems. Anyone know him? He seems to still be teaching at the University of Wisconsin - Madison. [1] https://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/fractals/booktext/SABOOK.PDF https://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/fractals/booktext/SABOOK.PDF [2] https://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/ https://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/
- AlexeyBrin 11mo agoThe book software https://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/fractals/bookdisk/ https://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/fractals/bookdisk/
- johnwatson11218 11mo agoI have a pdf of this book and was using LLM to translate the old code into modern, idiomatic python and it is very cool. I wonder if somebody will re-release it with modern code and tooling? In fact , google Gemini was able to do it on the fly using the posted links.
- alansaber 11mo agoI am shocked by how well this runs
- evanb 11mo ago> A small change in the parameter a can lead to vastly different particle trajectories and the overall shape of the attractor. Change this value in the control panel and observe the butterfly effect in action. I think this is slightly inaccurate. The butterfly effect is about the evolution of two nearby states in phase space into well-separated states. But the parameter a is not a state. To see the butterfly effect by changing a we would need to let the system settle down, give the parameter a small change, and then change it back. The evolution during the changed time acts as a perturbation on states. Instead, showing that the attractor changes qualitatively as a function of the parameter is more akin to a phase transition.
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- aenis 11mo agoFabulous. Now I just need to find a monochrome laser projector and my home office design is complete.
- tannerjames711 11mo agoThank you for sharing. This really inspired me to check out three.js. This website of yours might be one of the more beautiful things on the internet.
- __MatrixMan__ 11mo agoIt would be so much fun to use these as a setting for some kind of gaming experience. Like, I wanna hide behind parts of these and pop around a corner and blast my friend with a laser. Or to race gocarts along the surface of one, or I dunno, something frogger-esque to get a feel for the directionality of the flows... I love how they look, but I need more interaction to get a feel for the thing.
- dehugger 11mo agoI can confirm that Simone (Maybe) is my favorite :) I especially like looking through them with the color set to Angular instead of Solid, so you can see where the peak acceleration is happening. Makes the big curves prettier :) great project!
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- comonoid 11mo agoI would suggest to keep initial particles' color -- it would be easier to understand the system's evolution.
- grnchdubs 11mo agoThis is awesome, I often mess with strange attractors in Touchdesigner but its not to do some testing in the browser with this possibly.
- kloudignite 11mo agoI stumbled upon attractors several years ago and ended up making a whole desktop application for rendering animations :) https://youtu.be/8ttGBReE5gg https://youtu.be/8ttGBReE5gg
- shashanktomar 11mo agoThis is so cool