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You don’t think it’s ethically and morally questionable to frequent a business that knowingly harms the majority of its customers? I agree there’s a some sort

You don’t think it’s ethically and morally questionable to frequent a business that knowingly harms the majority of its customers? I agree there’s a some sort of gray area here, but it feels awfully narrow… especially with the recent sports betting companies.

Karrot_Kream 1y ago
"some gray area" is an understatement. Sports betting companies structure their odds and order books to disadvantage most bettors. There are plenty of markets where that isn't the case.
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savanaly 1y ago
I feel like the goalposts have been shifted massively in this conversation. The original sentiment was "there's no way to responsibly gamble online", and that's all I was ever responding to.
- kannanvijayan 1y ago
  I strongly doubt that the person you were responding to was asserting that "no person, at any time, in any circumstance, can ever gamble online without it being an irresponsible act". But chances are that the original commenter was really using language in a more colloquial way, the way someone might say "the only responsible choice is not to use drugs". Someone saying that isn't making a statement that "no person ever, under any circumstance, can ever benefit from consuming any drug". It's not an absolutist statement, but you are choosing to interpret it that way so that you can construct a response based on semantic pedantry. Goalposts built around strawmen are almost designed to be shifted.
travisjungroth 1y ago
I don’t want to derail the conversation, but I do want to make an analogy. I’m vegan, and I mostly go to non-vegan restaurants. I’m giving my money to businesses that mostly do something I don’t support. The way I resolve this is “What if everyone did what I did?”. The restaurants would obviously have to change. I figure the type of demand I create is more powerful than how they might use the profit. I think the same thing applies here. If everyone only gambled responsibly, these companies would all be in the responsible gambling business. At the same time, I think sports gambling has completely gotten out of control and needs to be more regulated. More advertising regulation seems like a good place to start.

Karrot_Kream 1y ago

"some gray area" is an understatement. Sports betting companies structure their odds and order books to disadvantage most bettors. There are plenty of markets where that isn't the case.

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savanaly 1y ago

I feel like the goalposts have been shifted massively in this conversation. The original sentiment was "there's no way to responsibly gamble online", and that's all I was ever responding to.

kannanvijayan 1y ago
I strongly doubt that the person you were responding to was asserting that "no person, at any time, in any circumstance, can ever gamble online without it being an irresponsible act". But chances are that the original commenter was really using language in a more colloquial way, the way someone might say "the only responsible choice is not to use drugs". Someone saying that isn't making a statement that "no person ever, under any circumstance, can ever benefit from consuming any drug". It's not an absolutist statement, but you are choosing to interpret it that way so that you can construct a response based on semantic pedantry. Goalposts built around strawmen are almost designed to be shifted.

travisjungroth 1y ago

I don’t want to derail the conversation, but I do want to make an analogy. I’m vegan, and I mostly go to non-vegan restaurants. I’m giving my money to businesses that mostly do something I don’t support. The way I resolve this is “What if everyone did what I did?”. The restaurants would obviously have to change. I figure the type of demand I create is more powerful than how they might use the profit. I think the same thing applies here. If everyone only gambled responsibly, these companies would all be in the responsible gambling business. At the same time, I think sports gambling has completely gotten out of control and needs to be more regulated. More advertising regulation seems like a good place to start.