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> The disparity in capability is orders of magnitude. But then again it's increasingly being made by Indian migrants, right? How far away the critical state i

> The disparity in capability is orders of magnitude. But then again it's increasingly being made by Indian migrants, right? How far away the critical state is, who knows. Could it be in this presidential term? Would it happen within ten years of the coming imperial takeover of the presidency? Perhaps. But when the valley loses its dominance it will likely happen pretty quickly: huge numbers of the people who make it happen will go home, go back to their home states, or just go to live somewhere cheaper. The US is not educating people fast enough or deeply enough to replace them, and there's no sign that AI really can replace the ones that matter. Just because nobody can see exactly when this will happen doesn't mean you don't start planning for it to happen. Because it will happen, and when it happens it will happen fast. The US tech industry is still built on the idea that the USA is a comfortable, friendly, open liberal democracy. And that is over. I mean, on a basic level any individual H1B placement in the future exists at the whim of the executive. Who do you have to donate to, to keep it? And any skilled migrant who might come over, work the hell out of a job that is beneath their level of education in the quick-e-mart and then start something of their own is not going to come. Europe has its own problems with pasty-faced, bad-haired weaselly proto-fascists, but it's still fighting.

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There is no jurisdiction on the planet with as diverse and open an environment as America which is why many Indians come here to become citizens and contribute to the country, including my own parents. Now, India actually does have a lot of potential, and could actually do something similar. Unfortunately it is currently undergoing fairly intense and violent nativist hindu extremist fascism. Honestly, the Hindu rashtra nonsense would be fine on its own but given how undeveloped India is, it really has better things to focus on. I mean, but yeah if India ever manages to develop and revert back to a more pluralistic society then yes it would be a potential alternative market. Unlike Europe and China, India has a long history of accepting foreign peoples and incorporating them into its society, similar to America. Unlike Europe, India pays for its own defences and is thus a real country. Europe is a vassal of the United States. But like realistically, I see no possible path for India to overcome its issues at this point. There are few rational voices in its politics. The Indian left wing is honestly insane. And the right wing is equally unhinged. Speaking for myself as the child of Indian christians, I know a lot of Christians secretly vote for the BJP because the alternative is honestly insanity. There is no technocratic, pluralistic, and not self hating party that is actually in it for the country's success. Thus I don't see any path forward for it. I'm not saying this out of any sense of superiority. I think it would be awesome for India to be a liveable nation. It would be nice to be able to live there frankly. However, it's just not a realistic prospect in this century India will be a perpetual off shoring center for the US. Ambitious Indians will leave to become Americans. Those who are unable to due to American policy will flounder in India and not achieve their potential. You can frame this as America's fault. But it is actually India's. To conclude, there is no place as diverse and welcoming as America or any place that even seems on that path. The other possible place (south America) is in many ways even more backwards than India. China will always be a Han ethnostate. Europe is also an ethnostate and has no history of assimilating anyone (see Jews and gypsies) > any individual H1B placement in the future exists at the whim of the executive America attracted migrants before h1b and was basically closed off to much of the world before 1965 and is still the preferred destination of pretty much anyone.

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There is no jurisdiction on the planet with as diverse and open an environment as America which is why many Indians come here to become citizens and contribute to the country, including my own parents. Now, India actually does have a lot of potential, and could actually do something similar. Unfortunately it is currently undergoing fairly intense and violent nativist hindu extremist fascism. Honestly, the Hindu rashtra nonsense would be fine on its own but given how undeveloped India is, it really has better things to focus on. I mean, but yeah if India ever manages to develop and revert back to a more pluralistic society then yes it would be a potential alternative market. Unlike Europe and China, India has a long history of accepting foreign peoples and incorporating them into its society, similar to America. Unlike Europe, India pays for its own defences and is thus a real country. Europe is a vassal of the United States. But like realistically, I see no possible path for India to overcome its issues at this point. There are few rational voices in its politics. The Indian left wing is honestly insane. And the right wing is equally unhinged. Speaking for myself as the child of Indian christians, I know a lot of Christians secretly vote for the BJP because the alternative is honestly insanity. There is no technocratic, pluralistic, and not self hating party that is actually in it for the country's success. Thus I don't see any path forward for it. I'm not saying this out of any sense of superiority. I think it would be awesome for India to be a liveable nation. It would be nice to be able to live there frankly. However, it's just not a realistic prospect in this century India will be a perpetual off shoring center for the US. Ambitious Indians will leave to become Americans. Those who are unable to due to American policy will flounder in India and not achieve their potential. You can frame this as America's fault. But it is actually India's. To conclude, there is no place as diverse and welcoming as America or any place that even seems on that path. The other possible place (south America) is in many ways even more backwards than India. China will always be a Han ethnostate. Europe is also an ethnostate and has no history of assimilating anyone (see Jews and gypsies) > any individual H1B placement in the future exists at the whim of the executive America attracted migrants before h1b and was basically closed off to much of the world before 1965 and is still the preferred destination of pretty much anyone.