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You won't notice 8ms difference in input lag
by arbirk 11mo ago
You won't notice 8ms difference in input lag
- moonAA 11mo agoagree
- Scene_Cast2 11mo agoI have 165Hz monitors. Software feels noticeably more snappy.
- bitwize 11mo agoMusicians can feel latencies as low as 1ms. Apple is designing pro gear for its target audience.
- 542458 11mo agoDo you have a source for that? I saw a study a short while ago showing the “just noticeable difference” for audio latency was best case around 26ms. https://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/3678299.3678331 https://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/3678299.3678331
- spacechild1 11mo agoI definitely notice the difference between 10 ms and 26 ms. 26 ms already feel sluggish when playing drums, guitars or keyboard instruments. But there is no way anyone can feel a difference of 1 ms.
- relaxing 11mo agoThe study wasn’t conducted with musicians making music.
- Hnrobert42 11mo agoIt depends on the frequency. At higher frequencies, the ear is capable of higher time precision. It's why a snare pops and a bass drum blooms.
- agos 11mo agoThat’s audio latency, not musicians doing music. In my experience if you have two musicians that are supposed to be playing unison, 5-6 ms is enough to feel “off”
- acjohnson55 11mo agoI highly doubt anyone notices 1ms latency. I might believe rare people can notice 10ms.
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- koiueo 11mo agoAnecdotically, 7ms vs 3ms latency is felt as weirdly heavy action when playing midi keyboard. It's not felt as latency, but it's felt. And I bet the difference could be reliably established in double-blind testing (3 samples, find an outlier). 1ms seems less believable, but I wouldn't be surprised, if some people could notice that too.
- ksec 11mo agoAgain I have to point to this Microsoft Research Video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4
- msephton 11mo agoFantastic video. QED.
- 201984 11mo agoFun fact, 1ms is the approximately the amount of time it takes for sound to travel 1 foot. Do musicians move all their speakers to be within one foot of their ears? Do people in a band notice a difference if they're not standing within 1 foot of their partners? No, they don't.
- doph 11mo agolots of people can notice that. my last job involved meticulously timing our software's input-tp-display latency, testing viewers' responses to it, and fighting for each and every ms we should shave off of it.
- sbierwagen 11mo agoFor my sins, I have recently been called upon to cold boot and then provision a few dozen Samsung tablets by hand. The "laggy Lagdroid piece of lagshit" pasta has been repeated a lot. I swear to God it just ignores ten percent of touch events if it's doing anything in the background.
- dontlaugh 11mo agoAnyone can notice an entire frame of input lag. The question is more whether it’ll bother you.
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- baq 11mo agoCouldn’t be more wrong.
- josephg 11mo agoI’ve been swapping back and forth between a MacBook Pro and a Linux workstation lately. The input latency difference is insane - macOS is sooo much worse than Linux. It’s gotten to the point that I’m porting code to Linux just so I don’t have to use my editor from macOS. I don’t know how many milliseconds the difference is, but going back and forth it’s so obvious to me that it’s painful.
- msephton 11mo agoAs a seasoned gamer, and one time world record holder, I absolutely can notice 8ms of lag.