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This is a nice toy and for sure great entertainment, but even with user aid it came out with generic slop. I can't see artistic value in this.

NewsaHackO 1y ago
Most modern music us generic slop, especially pop music. If he likes making it and others like listening to it, isn't that the point of a hobby?
- bigyabai 1y ago
  Most != all. Modern music also gave us some of the most forward-thinking sounds yet to reach the mainstream. When people get comfortable listening to slop, making something genuine or transgressive becomes attractive again. I think there's merit in worrying that AI-based music will cause artists to lose touch with the creative process, because I agree; a lot of modern music is pointless slop. Lowering the barrier to entry isn't going to fix it, so rationally "human music" hobbyists are coming into contention with "AI music" proponents. I don't think blogs like this one will bridge the divide.
  - NewsaHackO 1y ago
    But different people have different parts of the creative process that they find appealing. For instance, in this blog, he said he had multiple stems but felt as though AI helped him flesh them out. By using AI assistance, he was able to create the music he always wanted to create, and therefore have fun with his hobby. If people like listening to it, then there is an added benefit. The people who think that things other than AI are more conducive to their creative process are still allowed to use them, so AI assisted music doesn't really change anything for them. The only people I can think of who face negative side effects from AI are those attempting to commercialize or sell their music.
    - Forgeties79 1y ago
      Ultimately the problem is the countless people/companies that will game the system and saturate us with mediocre same-y AI generated crap so they can scrape by with a modest income. Just like crappy blogs, review sites, “news” sites, etc. abusing SEO to cobble together something resembling consistent monthly revenue. That will be the result. Any creative expression it produces will be overwhelmed by this problem. The cons drastically outweigh the pros. We’ve seen it so many times. These enterprises create so much chaff it’s impossible to find the wheat.
roywiggins 1y ago
The vocals from Suno almost always come out sounding sort of strangled or strained to my ear, you can really hear it on "tortured." Cool he's having fun with it, but it's not what I like listening to.
- cactusplant7374 1y ago
  Some in the companion community have suggested that this is because we aren't treating the AI with dignity.
  - roywiggins 1y ago
    They are delusional or misinformed: suno's model cannot possibly be aware of how AI is being treated. It is not informed of this information, it's not even informed about previous times it was invoked, it's wholly amnesiac.
    - embedding-shape 1y ago
      > suno's model cannot possibly be aware of how AI is being treated I don't know exactly what training material went into Suno's models, but if it includes random collections of text from the internet, it could very well have included "man, AI is fucking stupid and I treat it as such" in it's training datasets. Now I won't claim that that suddenly makes the models "aware" of it, because surely we'll understand "aware" different and this will turn into a different conversations, but I don't see it as impossible that some models could have training data that includes text with how some humans feel about AI.
      - QuercusMax 1y ago
        Aren't we talking about the auditory quality of the generated vocals? I'm don't understand how you could possibly think the textual training data could possibly impact the perceived vocal strain (which are actually just artifacts) of the generated vocals.
muglug 1y ago
Yeah I was expecting to hear something decent at the top of the article, but the vocals sound like they suffer from severe mp3 compression.
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NewsaHackO 1y ago

Most modern music us generic slop, especially pop music. If he likes making it and others like listening to it, isn't that the point of a hobby?

bigyabai 1y ago
Most != all. Modern music also gave us some of the most forward-thinking sounds yet to reach the mainstream. When people get comfortable listening to slop, making something genuine or transgressive becomes attractive again. I think there's merit in worrying that AI-based music will cause artists to lose touch with the creative process, because I agree; a lot of modern music is pointless slop. Lowering the barrier to entry isn't going to fix it, so rationally "human music" hobbyists are coming into contention with "AI music" proponents. I don't think blogs like this one will bridge the divide.
- NewsaHackO 1y ago
  But different people have different parts of the creative process that they find appealing. For instance, in this blog, he said he had multiple stems but felt as though AI helped him flesh them out. By using AI assistance, he was able to create the music he always wanted to create, and therefore have fun with his hobby. If people like listening to it, then there is an added benefit. The people who think that things other than AI are more conducive to their creative process are still allowed to use them, so AI assisted music doesn't really change anything for them. The only people I can think of who face negative side effects from AI are those attempting to commercialize or sell their music.
  - Forgeties79 1y ago
    Ultimately the problem is the countless people/companies that will game the system and saturate us with mediocre same-y AI generated crap so they can scrape by with a modest income. Just like crappy blogs, review sites, “news” sites, etc. abusing SEO to cobble together something resembling consistent monthly revenue. That will be the result. Any creative expression it produces will be overwhelmed by this problem. The cons drastically outweigh the pros. We’ve seen it so many times. These enterprises create so much chaff it’s impossible to find the wheat.

roywiggins 1y ago

The vocals from Suno almost always come out sounding sort of strangled or strained to my ear, you can really hear it on "tortured." Cool he's having fun with it, but it's not what I like listening to.

cactusplant7374 1y ago
Some in the companion community have suggested that this is because we aren't treating the AI with dignity.
- roywiggins 1y ago
  They are delusional or misinformed: suno's model cannot possibly be aware of how AI is being treated. It is not informed of this information, it's not even informed about previous times it was invoked, it's wholly amnesiac.
  - embedding-shape 1y ago
    > suno's model cannot possibly be aware of how AI is being treated I don't know exactly what training material went into Suno's models, but if it includes random collections of text from the internet, it could very well have included "man, AI is fucking stupid and I treat it as such" in it's training datasets. Now I won't claim that that suddenly makes the models "aware" of it, because surely we'll understand "aware" different and this will turn into a different conversations, but I don't see it as impossible that some models could have training data that includes text with how some humans feel about AI.
    - QuercusMax 1y ago
      Aren't we talking about the auditory quality of the generated vocals? I'm don't understand how you could possibly think the textual training data could possibly impact the perceived vocal strain (which are actually just artifacts) of the generated vocals.

muglug 1y ago

Yeah I was expecting to hear something decent at the top of the article, but the vocals sound like they suffer from severe mp3 compression.

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