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What are the aspects that you're looking for from enterprise-land

by somanyphotons 11mo ago

thih9 11mo ago
Sane workload, work hours and vacation days for a start. It’s 2025 and I still see “unlimited PTO” in many places.
- lotsofpulp 11mo ago
  That comes with high profit margin and moat (for your specific labor, not just the business's moat). If you don't have leverage, you won't get those things regardless of enterprise or small business.
  - bodiekane 11mo ago
    And yet, millions of people work 40 hour weeks and take a couple vacations per year while working in razor-thin margin industries like grocery stores and low margin restaurants, manufacturing, agriculture, construction, retail, trucking and services ranging from hair stylists to accounting. Sane working hours and vacation time should be taken as a given in the modern economy. Unusually long work hours should be reserved for unusually highly paid professions like investment banking and surgeons.
    - lotsofpulp 11mo ago
      In the US, that might be true if you don't have kids, and/or don't aim to buy a home in a major metro. Otherwise, a lot of those people are going to be working multiple jobs, or relying on a higher earning spouse. Especially retail and restaurant workers. Most won't even get subsidized health insurance from their employer, and if they do, they are not going to be able to afford the deductibles with their income from one 40 hour per week job.
  - thih9 11mo ago
    Sure but overtime in enterprise is paid. In a startup you might get some worthless equity. Also, in startups these things still happen more often, the culture normalizes unpaid overtime, unused PTO, etc. E.g.: > While overtime is a reality in both startups and large corporations, the difference lies in the motivation behind it. In startups, work goes beyond traditional hours, not out of obligation, but from a genuine passion and commitment to achieving shared goals. source: https://www.sdsolutions.tech/post/what-is-a-startup-culture https://www.sdsolutions.tech/post/what-is-a-startup-culture
    - dpark 11mo ago
      > overtime in enterprise is paid. Not in the US. Most enterprise software engineers are salaried and do not receive overtime pay.
- catlover76 11mo ago
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What are the aspects that you're looking for from enterprise-land

thih9 11mo ago

Sane workload, work hours and vacation days for a start. It’s 2025 and I still see “unlimited PTO” in many places.

lotsofpulp 11mo ago
That comes with high profit margin and moat (for your specific labor, not just the business's moat). If you don't have leverage, you won't get those things regardless of enterprise or small business.
- bodiekane 11mo ago
  And yet, millions of people work 40 hour weeks and take a couple vacations per year while working in razor-thin margin industries like grocery stores and low margin restaurants, manufacturing, agriculture, construction, retail, trucking and services ranging from hair stylists to accounting. Sane working hours and vacation time should be taken as a given in the modern economy. Unusually long work hours should be reserved for unusually highly paid professions like investment banking and surgeons.
  - lotsofpulp 11mo ago
    In the US, that might be true if you don't have kids, and/or don't aim to buy a home in a major metro. Otherwise, a lot of those people are going to be working multiple jobs, or relying on a higher earning spouse. Especially retail and restaurant workers. Most won't even get subsidized health insurance from their employer, and if they do, they are not going to be able to afford the deductibles with their income from one 40 hour per week job.
- thih9 11mo ago
  Sure but overtime in enterprise is paid. In a startup you might get some worthless equity. Also, in startups these things still happen more often, the culture normalizes unpaid overtime, unused PTO, etc. E.g.: > While overtime is a reality in both startups and large corporations, the difference lies in the motivation behind it. In startups, work goes beyond traditional hours, not out of obligation, but from a genuine passion and commitment to achieving shared goals. source: https://www.sdsolutions.tech/post/what-is-a-startup-culture https://www.sdsolutions.tech/post/what-is-a-startup-culture
  - dpark 11mo ago
    > overtime in enterprise is paid. Not in the US. Most enterprise software engineers are salaried and do not receive overtime pay.
catlover76 11mo ago
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