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The native Americans tolerated immigration, and we all know what happened to them. On the topic of the article, every hotel outside the US I've used has asked

by axus 1y ago

The native Americans tolerated immigration, and we all know what happened to them. On the topic of the article, every hotel outside the US I've used has asked for my passport; I didn't know that a copy of the details exposed weaknesses on the electronic side.

xhkkffbf 1y ago
Tolerated? Some welcomed it and some actively fought several wars against it and lost. Many tribes conducted some kind of economic transaction that traded land for something else.
- mistrial9 1y ago
  Various California native people practiced slavery and indentured servitude on each other before the arrival of Spanish Catholics. The Mayan people went further than that.
  - iso1631 1y ago
    Still do. Slavery is perfectly legal in modern day USA, it's enshrined in the constitution > Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Which is functionally the same as > slavery or involuntary servitude, as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
    - tatersolid 1y ago
      Actually the two are very much not the same logically. The real text quoted first allows for servitude in limited circumstances. Your second modified version requires it.
Phemist 1y ago
Yes, as this blog post doesn't mention it, the "password key" is specifically derived from your Date of Birth, the document's Date of Expiry and the Document Number. For the specimen document in the blog post these values are respectively 740812 (YYMMDD), 120415 (YYMMDD) and L898902C3. They are contained in both the MRZ and the VIZ (Visual Inspection Zone). Considering the Date of Birth and Date of Expiry are necessarily limited in entropy, one should take care in protecting their Document Number as it is the greatest source of entropy for the derived "password key".
iso1631 1y ago
> Every hotel outside the US I've used has asked for my passport Every hotel in the US and any other country has asked for my passport (and credit card), but I'm not American. The textual information on the page of my passport is basically public knowledge, like a phone number or an american social security number. It's rare that a hotel takes the passport out of sight (and potentially scan the chip), but a photocopy is fairly frequent.
wat10000 1y ago
The USA welcomed immigration and we all know what happened to them.
ghaff 1y ago
I very much doubt if every hotel I've stayed in outside the US has asked for my passport but certainly many/most have. Never really paid much mind. As a US resident, I have often been asked for a drivers license in the US and it was actually an issue at one point when I had lost it though I was able to work around with some difficulty. I suspect the details were some combination of local/state/and hotel policy.
- stackskipton 1y ago
  Most hotels I’ve stayed at ask for ID. If you are foreign, they want a passport only. I have had issues with US hotels accept US passports and fought with one over it.
  - ghaff 1y ago
    I expect that quite a few hotel clerks in the US are just not familiar with anything other than a driver's license as government ID (or think a driver's license is the only acceptable ID). I'm pretty sure that I would have an issue with a global entry card at some point if I were to routinely use it outside of TSA (as I do after my driver's license issue) even though it's perfectly valid US government ID. Generally speaking, hotels in the US do seem to want government ID. Don't really know the requirement in general. This was a fairly low-rent chain that I was only using because last minute. I expect if it had been one of my major loyalty chains, a manager would have fixed things pretty quickly. ADDED: Normally I travel with a passport as well but, as I say, this was a last moment short trip so I didn't throw in all my travel pouches.
- heavyset_go 1y ago
  Hotels/motels want your ID so they can come after you if you trash the room.
  - ghaff 1y ago
    The bizarro thing in this case was that I convinced them to just let me pay in cash. Which of course gave them no ability to chase after me if I trashed the room.
hylaride 1y ago
Passports are much more common in some countries, and for most of the others where it's not you were probably obviously a foreigner based on your appearance, accent, or the fact you were likely in a tourist area. Many countries also have mandatory registration of foreign visitors that hotels do automatically so they know the drill.

by axus 1y ago

xhkkffbf 1y ago

Tolerated? Some welcomed it and some actively fought several wars against it and lost. Many tribes conducted some kind of economic transaction that traded land for something else.

mistrial9 1y ago
Various California native people practiced slavery and indentured servitude on each other before the arrival of Spanish Catholics. The Mayan people went further than that.
- iso1631 1y ago
  Still do. Slavery is perfectly legal in modern day USA, it's enshrined in the constitution > Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Which is functionally the same as > slavery or involuntary servitude, as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
  - tatersolid 1y ago
    Actually the two are very much not the same logically. The real text quoted first allows for servitude in limited circumstances. Your second modified version requires it.

Phemist 1y ago

Yes, as this blog post doesn't mention it, the "password key" is specifically derived from your Date of Birth, the document's Date of Expiry and the Document Number. For the specimen document in the blog post these values are respectively 740812 (YYMMDD), 120415 (YYMMDD) and L898902C3. They are contained in both the MRZ and the VIZ (Visual Inspection Zone). Considering the Date of Birth and Date of Expiry are necessarily limited in entropy, one should take care in protecting their Document Number as it is the greatest source of entropy for the derived "password key".

iso1631 1y ago

> Every hotel outside the US I've used has asked for my passport Every hotel in the US and any other country has asked for my passport (and credit card), but I'm not American. The textual information on the page of my passport is basically public knowledge, like a phone number or an american social security number. It's rare that a hotel takes the passport out of sight (and potentially scan the chip), but a photocopy is fairly frequent.

wat10000 1y ago

The USA welcomed immigration and we all know what happened to them.

ghaff 1y ago

I very much doubt if every hotel I've stayed in outside the US has asked for my passport but certainly many/most have. Never really paid much mind. As a US resident, I have often been asked for a drivers license in the US and it was actually an issue at one point when I had lost it though I was able to work around with some difficulty. I suspect the details were some combination of local/state/and hotel policy.

stackskipton 1y ago
Most hotels I’ve stayed at ask for ID. If you are foreign, they want a passport only. I have had issues with US hotels accept US passports and fought with one over it.
- ghaff 1y ago
  I expect that quite a few hotel clerks in the US are just not familiar with anything other than a driver's license as government ID (or think a driver's license is the only acceptable ID). I'm pretty sure that I would have an issue with a global entry card at some point if I were to routinely use it outside of TSA (as I do after my driver's license issue) even though it's perfectly valid US government ID. Generally speaking, hotels in the US do seem to want government ID. Don't really know the requirement in general. This was a fairly low-rent chain that I was only using because last minute. I expect if it had been one of my major loyalty chains, a manager would have fixed things pretty quickly. ADDED: Normally I travel with a passport as well but, as I say, this was a last moment short trip so I didn't throw in all my travel pouches.
heavyset_go 1y ago
Hotels/motels want your ID so they can come after you if you trash the room.
- ghaff 1y ago
  The bizarro thing in this case was that I convinced them to just let me pay in cash. Which of course gave them no ability to chase after me if I trashed the room.

hylaride 1y ago

Passports are much more common in some countries, and for most of the others where it's not you were probably obviously a foreigner based on your appearance, accent, or the fact you were likely in a tourist area. Many countries also have mandatory registration of foreign visitors that hotels do automatically so they know the drill.