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We can judge by the outcomes.
by jimbohn 11mo ago
We can judge by the outcomes.
- thomassmith65 11mo agoIf the goal is to judge Israel and find it guilty of genocide, then we can choose some number of civilian deaths lower than Israel killed, and be done with it. If the goal is to determine whether Israel actually is guilty of genocide then that approach isn't useful.
- jimbohn 11mo agoDetermining if there is a genocide or not doesn't depend on the kill score but on factors which (ironically) find their highest experts among jews and Israelis (Lemkin, Bauer, Charny, Auron). Some of them have actually helped define the definition in the UN Genocide Convention. If you take a look at the definition, even before October 7th, Israel is pretty much committing a genocide. Regardless of the outcome, one of the key factors is intent, and after October 7th, lots of important Israeli figures came forward with unambiguous statements of their intent.
- thomassmith65 11mo agoI read conflicting reports that speak to the intent behind IDF actions, which takes us back here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45770705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45770705
- jimbohn 11mo agoWell, you are in luck, because there will always be conflicting reports.
- thomassmith65 11mo agoYes, both sides in the conflict produce torrents of propaganda. The sensible position is to be conscious of what one doesn't know. It's less satisfying than believing that one side is just evil, like the person to whom I originally replied: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45766601 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45766601