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Is there anything actually preventing Samsung or another vendor from adopting GrapheneOS's security innovations?

immibis 1y ago
Probably their legal obligation to comply with secret government orders (FISA, NSL etc - the government probably already said don't make unhackable phones or else) and their informal wish to remain on the regime's good side.
- astrange 1y ago
  Samsung is not an American company and what you're claiming would conflict with other countries' laws, namely EU Cyber Resilience Act.
joemazerino 1y ago
The hardware Samsung provides is not up to spec.
russianGuy83829 1y ago
GrapheneOS is seemingly working with an OEM to make a GrapheneOS smartphone. Its probably not samsung, but would still be an established vendor
- DANmode 1y ago
  It better not be Samsung...
  - Andromxda 1y ago
    It isn't Samsung
- preisschild 1y ago
  They are not making a "GrapheneOS smartphone", they are just helping providers make their new devices compatible with the security requirements, so GrapheneOS can be installed on it. But GrapheneOS will not come by default AFAIK.
  - Andromxda 1y ago
    It's totally possible that there will be an option to buy the device with GrapheneOS preinstalled https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114749924008111970 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114749924008111970
- chopin 1y ago
  I'd love this for a Fairphone.
  - Andromxda 1y ago
    It definitely won't be Fairphone. See https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-stand... https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115379774100353715 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115379774100353715 and https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114874684738751793 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114874684738751793
DANmode 1y ago
Willingness to pay great developers and engineers to build secure hardware, understanding sec, them observing actual demand for security. History says don't hold your breath. We get lucky once in a while, like with Google's hardware (without their software).

Probably their legal obligation to comply with secret government orders (FISA, NSL etc - the government probably already said don't make unhackable phones or else) and their informal wish to remain on the regime's good side.

astrange 1y ago
Samsung is not an American company and what you're claiming would conflict with other countries' laws, namely EU Cyber Resilience Act.

joemazerino 1y ago

The hardware Samsung provides is not up to spec.

russianGuy83829 1y ago

GrapheneOS is seemingly working with an OEM to make a GrapheneOS smartphone. Its probably not samsung, but would still be an established vendor

DANmode 1y ago
It better not be Samsung...
- Andromxda 1y ago
  It isn't Samsung
preisschild 1y ago
They are not making a "GrapheneOS smartphone", they are just helping providers make their new devices compatible with the security requirements, so GrapheneOS can be installed on it. But GrapheneOS will not come by default AFAIK.
- Andromxda 1y ago
  It's totally possible that there will be an option to buy the device with GrapheneOS preinstalled https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114749924008111970 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114749924008111970
chopin 1y ago
I'd love this for a Fairphone.
- Andromxda 1y ago
  It definitely won't be Fairphone. See https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-stand... https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115379774100353715 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115379774100353715 and https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114874684738751793 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114874684738751793

DANmode 1y ago

Willingness to pay great developers and engineers to build secure hardware, understanding sec, them observing actual demand for security. History says don't hold your breath. We get lucky once in a while, like with Google's hardware (without their software).