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I think they are different in that: 1. People are not harassing traffic enforcement, like they are harassing immigration enforcement. 2. Waze's information in

I think they are different in that: 1. People are not harassing traffic enforcement, like they are harassing immigration enforcement. 2. Waze's information incentivizes people to follow traffic laws more deligently than they would which results in safer driving conditions for other people driving. ICEBlock did not have the benefit of making people follow immigration law better, or turn themselves in faster.

throwawayqqq11 1y ago
Avoiding traffic controls is no solution to reckless driving. Like surveilance cameras, they only move the crime elsewhere. What you need is a gapless panopticon so that every suspect feels like being at the verge of getting caught, to enforce eg. traffic laws. ICE does not target criminal behavior though. They literally disappear people based on appearance and any criminal record. Such a panopticon is an entirely different beast.
- Yeul 1y ago
  It really is that bad. They put illegal immigrants on military transport planes to South Sudan. And how are those poor people supposed to get back home?
saubeidl 1y ago
Immigrants with no criminal record now largest group in ICE detention: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/immigrants-criminal-record-ice-detention https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/immigrants-c... ICE Agents Rappel from Helicopter in Overnight Chicago Raid, Dragging Kids from Beds to U-Hauls: https://people.com/ice-agents-overnight-chicago-raid-11823082 https://people.com/ice-agents-overnight-chicago-raid-1182308... Feds detain WGN-TV staffer, slam into resident’s car in Lincoln Square: https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/10/feds-arrest-wgn-staffer-slam-into-residents-car-in-lincoln-square https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/10/feds-arr... We Found That More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration Agents. They’ve Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days: https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-... Videos of violent ICE interactions flood social media: https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/ice-agents-violent-video-arrests-trump-immigration-crackdown-rcna237373 https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/ice-agents-violent-... This is not "immigration enforcement". It's paramilitary thugs beating up and disappearing political opponents. The closest equivalent would be the SA.
- vorpalhex 1y ago
  Wow I'm really glad they got the 15,000 illegal immigrants who had criminal charges. I'm also fine that the 16,000 people here illegally have to go back home. Why were 30ish kids naked in an apartment building illegally? That sure sounds a whole lot like human trafficking, especially if the men arrested all had criminal records and gang affiliation. Wow intentionally blocking a federal vehicle transporting a prisoner sure shoulds like interfering with law enforcement. And in getting 30,000+ illegal immigrants into ICE custody, they've only detained 170 people? 130 of those were with criminal charges? That seems like a very low number. This sounds exactly like immigration enforcement. Who are the politicians being rounded up? Who are the "political opponents" here? Not the 30,000 illegal immigrants who can't vote. Not the 130 citizens who committed a felony against agents.
  - saubeidl 1y ago
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    - actionfromafar 1y ago
      Interesting conversation. I think there is a recent trend of closet nazis (or at least closet nazi-ish) outing themselves. They say and write things publicly, they previously would have self-censored in public. Children sleeping in their beds, turned into something incriminating. So twisted.
      - mrguyorama 1y ago
        The people who threw rocks at a little black girl attending school never changed their mind. They never grew up. They never learned. They were just made to shut up for a little while, but they still wanted what they wanted. They openly say that they are glad Trump makes them feel like they don't have to shut up anymore. They never stopped voting. They were incensed that they were stopped from being systemically racist.
        1y ago

throwawayqqq11 1y ago

Avoiding traffic controls is no solution to reckless driving. Like surveilance cameras, they only move the crime elsewhere. What you need is a gapless panopticon so that every suspect feels like being at the verge of getting caught, to enforce eg. traffic laws. ICE does not target criminal behavior though. They literally disappear people based on appearance and any criminal record. Such a panopticon is an entirely different beast.

Yeul 1y ago
It really is that bad. They put illegal immigrants on military transport planes to South Sudan. And how are those poor people supposed to get back home?

saubeidl 1y ago

Immigrants with no criminal record now largest group in ICE detention: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/immigrants-criminal-record-ice-detention https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/immigrants-c... ICE Agents Rappel from Helicopter in Overnight Chicago Raid, Dragging Kids from Beds to U-Hauls: https://people.com/ice-agents-overnight-chicago-raid-11823082 https://people.com/ice-agents-overnight-chicago-raid-1182308... Feds detain WGN-TV staffer, slam into resident’s car in Lincoln Square: https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/10/feds-arrest-wgn-staffer-slam-into-residents-car-in-lincoln-square https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/10/feds-arr... We Found That More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration Agents. They’ve Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days: https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-... Videos of violent ICE interactions flood social media: https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/ice-agents-violent-video-arrests-trump-immigration-crackdown-rcna237373 https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/ice-agents-violent-... This is not "immigration enforcement". It's paramilitary thugs beating up and disappearing political opponents. The closest equivalent would be the SA.

vorpalhex 1y ago
Wow I'm really glad they got the 15,000 illegal immigrants who had criminal charges. I'm also fine that the 16,000 people here illegally have to go back home. Why were 30ish kids naked in an apartment building illegally? That sure sounds a whole lot like human trafficking, especially if the men arrested all had criminal records and gang affiliation. Wow intentionally blocking a federal vehicle transporting a prisoner sure shoulds like interfering with law enforcement. And in getting 30,000+ illegal immigrants into ICE custody, they've only detained 170 people? 130 of those were with criminal charges? That seems like a very low number. This sounds exactly like immigration enforcement. Who are the politicians being rounded up? Who are the "political opponents" here? Not the 30,000 illegal immigrants who can't vote. Not the 130 citizens who committed a felony against agents.
- saubeidl 1y ago
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  - actionfromafar 1y ago
    Interesting conversation. I think there is a recent trend of closet nazis (or at least closet nazi-ish) outing themselves. They say and write things publicly, they previously would have self-censored in public. Children sleeping in their beds, turned into something incriminating. So twisted.
    - mrguyorama 1y ago
      The people who threw rocks at a little black girl attending school never changed their mind. They never grew up. They never learned. They were just made to shut up for a little while, but they still wanted what they wanted. They openly say that they are glad Trump makes them feel like they don't have to shut up anymore. They never stopped voting. They were incensed that they were stopped from being systemically racist.
      - 1y ago