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so if i build an app that enables endusers to upload videos from their phones to youtube and then offers a labeling system so that ice-related (or other) activi

so if i build an app that enables endusers to upload videos from their phones to youtube and then offers a labeling system so that ice-related (or other) activities can be interlinked and searched/discovered/traversed i am suddenly engaging in proscribed software development? how far down does this slope go???

acuozzo 11mo ago
https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 This was written re: IP law, but applies to your comment as well.
- coderatlarge 11mo ago
  thanks for sharing! someone had explained to me the concept of “color of money” in payment systems years back and this matches up well.
mlinhares 11mo ago
it goes as far as the king or his loyal enablers think it needs to go. the slope is very short, actually, because the moment you do that you'll have a target on your back and might receive a visit from a federal law enforcement agency.
- coderatlarge 11mo ago
  to go further: let’s say i don’t even define a purpose for the app but just leave it open to users to define their metadata labeling scheme and all the app does is index the videos labeled in a common way. perhaps endusers agree on redit or on some wiki how they will label posts. the app just traverses the labeling scheme and provides some basic viewing and searching locally; without a server involved beyond youtube. i’m just wondering whether this new situation essentially criminalizes metadata.
  - trillic 11mo ago
    criminalization of aggregation
    - coderatlarge 11mo ago
      is there some point of app abstraction where i can claim section 230 protection?
      - trillic 11mo ago
        When users create the lists and you don’t moderate them (outside of illegal content and “profanity”. But “profanity” is similar to the slippery slope of a “targeted group”.
        coderatlarge 11mo ago
        ok so , in theory, “Mark” (the author of the original app in question in the original post) could change some of the verbiage around his app and resubmit claiming 230?
        heavyset_go 11mo ago
        S230 allows for any amount of moderation. Providers of interactive computer services are not liable for user-uploaded content.
      - amanaplanacanal 11mo ago
        Section 230 doesn't protect you from Apple or Google.
  - pjc50 11mo ago
    The drone strikes app tried to use the "metadata" excuse. https://tech.yahoo.com/general/articles/apple-finally-approved-app-tracks-190526029.html https://tech.yahoo.com/general/articles/apple-finally-approv... The underlying principle is not complicated; Apple can and will ban any app they don't like.
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tamimio 11mo ago
If they can’t remove your app from the store, they will use advertisers to coerce you to whatever changes they are after, if that’s not the case, they will force you to sell your app.
- clort 11mo ago
  or they can convince the payment processors to refuse to do business with you

acuozzo 11mo ago

https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 This was written re: IP law, but applies to your comment as well.

coderatlarge 11mo ago
thanks for sharing! someone had explained to me the concept of “color of money” in payment systems years back and this matches up well.

mlinhares 11mo ago

it goes as far as the king or his loyal enablers think it needs to go. the slope is very short, actually, because the moment you do that you'll have a target on your back and might receive a visit from a federal law enforcement agency.

coderatlarge 11mo ago
to go further: let’s say i don’t even define a purpose for the app but just leave it open to users to define their metadata labeling scheme and all the app does is index the videos labeled in a common way. perhaps endusers agree on redit or on some wiki how they will label posts. the app just traverses the labeling scheme and provides some basic viewing and searching locally; without a server involved beyond youtube. i’m just wondering whether this new situation essentially criminalizes metadata.
- trillic 11mo ago
  criminalization of aggregation
  - coderatlarge 11mo ago
    is there some point of app abstraction where i can claim section 230 protection?
    - trillic 11mo ago
      When users create the lists and you don’t moderate them (outside of illegal content and “profanity”. But “profanity” is similar to the slippery slope of a “targeted group”.
      - coderatlarge 11mo ago
        ok so , in theory, “Mark” (the author of the original app in question in the original post) could change some of the verbiage around his app and resubmit claiming 230?
      - heavyset_go 11mo ago
        S230 allows for any amount of moderation. Providers of interactive computer services are not liable for user-uploaded content.
    - amanaplanacanal 11mo ago
      Section 230 doesn't protect you from Apple or Google.
- pjc50 11mo ago
  The drone strikes app tried to use the "metadata" excuse. https://tech.yahoo.com/general/articles/apple-finally-approved-app-tracks-190526029.html https://tech.yahoo.com/general/articles/apple-finally-approv... The underlying principle is not complicated; Apple can and will ban any app they don't like.
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tamimio 11mo ago

If they can’t remove your app from the store, they will use advertisers to coerce you to whatever changes they are after, if that’s not the case, they will force you to sell your app.

clort 11mo ago
or they can convince the payment processors to refuse to do business with you