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I think if this was the plan, the right would be insisting on something more outlandish than a clean CR.

by rogerrogerr 1y ago

SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
> clean CR So dastardly that no one seems to be able to explain how dastardly it is.
- paulryanrogers 1y ago
  'Clean' CR after they already rammed through their whole agenda in a huge bill that threatened worse cuts if the government shutdown. Yet it seems they cut with or without a shutdown. Republicans have proven they won't follow the same rules and aren't negotiating in good faith. They'll do whatever they can get away with, and if bad things happen (whether they are opposed or not) then it's anyone else's fault.
  - SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
    Rammed through, is an interesting way to write that they had the votes and passed HR1. When Democrats had the Admin, Senate, and House, they put the ACA provisions on sunsetting subsidies in. How dastardly are the Republicans that they forced Democrats to do that when it was done with almost zero Republican votes? Your post is just game. “My side is good and their side is evil”… don’t you get tired of that?
    - svnt 1y ago
      “We passed clean government funding that cost 20 million people their health care coverage.” You are falling for semantics games.
      - SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
        It’s the CR that Dems passed last year. Stop. You aren’t even falling for it. They’re using shutdown as leverage to try and get something they couldn’t get when they had all three houses. You can agree or disagree that is a good idea or that it will work, but can’t pretend it isn’t what it is.
        paulryanrogers 1y ago
        Dems voted for the BBB under threat of worse cuts coming with a shutdown. The cuts and illegal actions continued. Going along with the bullies only proved that the bullies can push further.
        SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
        So… absolutely normal politics. If the Dems don’t like the political outcome of losing so many elections, they should propose popular policies ideas and candidates to win elections.
        svnt 1y ago
        By equating it with last year you are pretending there is no context or history for negotiation and that budget resolutions are just housekeeping, which is exactly the republican talking point and is trivially shown to be untrue. If you point your analysis at yourself you can see how you pivot perspectives in synchrony with the abusive behaviors as it supports your political alignment.
  - qcnguy 1y ago
    They have a majority and campaigned on doing those things. They have a right to do it. The Democrats don't have a majority and it's bizarre/dysfunctional that they can force the entire government to shut down to try and get their agenda implemented, even though they lost the election.
    - mlrtime 1y ago
      No replies but you're right. All top comments are blaming Republicans, but the the Republican part has passed. If the Democrats sign the budget it passes. Depending on which "side" (I hate that term) you view this from, the other side is holding it up.
      - paulryanrogers 1y ago
        Which side is also withholding emergency funds meant for SNAP?
      - b3ing 1y ago
        At the big cost of insurance premiums going up substantially
      - danaris 1y ago
        Sure, it is a negotiation, and the shutdown is because neither side will agree to certain things the other side wants to do. The Democrats won't agree to making the awful omnibus bill cuts permanent and essentially defunding the ACA, because they want to govern and actually help all our people. The Republicans won't agree to providing and caring for Americans through programs that are already fully approved, because they want to destroy those programs without actually having the votes to repeal them, because they want to destroy the government and harm anyone who doesn't fit their particular view of what a "real American" is. So while your words are technically true, they serve to obscure a very real difference in why each side is refusing to end the shutdown. I don't know about you, but I think the side that actually wants to govern the country, uphold the rule of law, and help people in need, is really not the one that we should be blaming for refusing to compromise on their principles (however late they may have come to them).
- collingreen 1y ago
  What does this mean? If youre implying "clean CR" is perfectly fine can you just say that? If you don't think it's perfectly fine what ARE you trying to say?
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sigmar 1y ago
It's double speak to call it a "clean CR" when there was just a huge bill changing a ton of tax code, budget, and increasing ICE's budget by 10x.[1] Passing the CR would have approved those spending changes as if they were in an appropriations bill. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act
- dionian 1y ago
  with a clean CR we can open the government temporarily and pass a budget, right? the whole CR thing is terrible, we need single subject bills
  - yks 1y ago
    the government doesn't need to be opened for a budget to pass though, "clean CR" is not a prerequisite for anything
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
    They aren't negotiating. They went home. Their job is to come up with a budget but once this didn't go through they just... went home. BTW the not passed continuing resolution only goes through November 21st.
thephyber 1y ago
You still take Republicans in Congress at their word? Look at the actions of Russell Vought, not the words of Ted Cruz.

I think if this was the plan, the right would be insisting on something more outlandish than a clean CR.

SV_BubbleTime 1y ago

> clean CR So dastardly that no one seems to be able to explain how dastardly it is.

paulryanrogers 1y ago
'Clean' CR after they already rammed through their whole agenda in a huge bill that threatened worse cuts if the government shutdown. Yet it seems they cut with or without a shutdown. Republicans have proven they won't follow the same rules and aren't negotiating in good faith. They'll do whatever they can get away with, and if bad things happen (whether they are opposed or not) then it's anyone else's fault.
- SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
  Rammed through, is an interesting way to write that they had the votes and passed HR1. When Democrats had the Admin, Senate, and House, they put the ACA provisions on sunsetting subsidies in. How dastardly are the Republicans that they forced Democrats to do that when it was done with almost zero Republican votes? Your post is just game. “My side is good and their side is evil”… don’t you get tired of that?
  - svnt 1y ago
    “We passed clean government funding that cost 20 million people their health care coverage.” You are falling for semantics games.
    - SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
      It’s the CR that Dems passed last year. Stop. You aren’t even falling for it. They’re using shutdown as leverage to try and get something they couldn’t get when they had all three houses. You can agree or disagree that is a good idea or that it will work, but can’t pretend it isn’t what it is.
      - paulryanrogers 1y ago
        Dems voted for the BBB under threat of worse cuts coming with a shutdown. The cuts and illegal actions continued. Going along with the bullies only proved that the bullies can push further.
        SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
        So… absolutely normal politics. If the Dems don’t like the political outcome of losing so many elections, they should propose popular policies ideas and candidates to win elections.
      - svnt 1y ago
        By equating it with last year you are pretending there is no context or history for negotiation and that budget resolutions are just housekeeping, which is exactly the republican talking point and is trivially shown to be untrue. If you point your analysis at yourself you can see how you pivot perspectives in synchrony with the abusive behaviors as it supports your political alignment.
- qcnguy 1y ago
  They have a majority and campaigned on doing those things. They have a right to do it. The Democrats don't have a majority and it's bizarre/dysfunctional that they can force the entire government to shut down to try and get their agenda implemented, even though they lost the election.
  - mlrtime 1y ago
    No replies but you're right. All top comments are blaming Republicans, but the the Republican part has passed. If the Democrats sign the budget it passes. Depending on which "side" (I hate that term) you view this from, the other side is holding it up.
    - paulryanrogers 1y ago
      Which side is also withholding emergency funds meant for SNAP?
    - b3ing 1y ago
      At the big cost of insurance premiums going up substantially
    - danaris 1y ago
      Sure, it is a negotiation, and the shutdown is because neither side will agree to certain things the other side wants to do. The Democrats won't agree to making the awful omnibus bill cuts permanent and essentially defunding the ACA, because they want to govern and actually help all our people. The Republicans won't agree to providing and caring for Americans through programs that are already fully approved, because they want to destroy those programs without actually having the votes to repeal them, because they want to destroy the government and harm anyone who doesn't fit their particular view of what a "real American" is. So while your words are technically true, they serve to obscure a very real difference in why each side is refusing to end the shutdown. I don't know about you, but I think the side that actually wants to govern the country, uphold the rule of law, and help people in need, is really not the one that we should be blaming for refusing to compromise on their principles (however late they may have come to them).
collingreen 1y ago
What does this mean? If youre implying "clean CR" is perfectly fine can you just say that? If you don't think it's perfectly fine what ARE you trying to say?

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sigmar 1y ago

It's double speak to call it a "clean CR" when there was just a huge bill changing a ton of tax code, budget, and increasing ICE's budget by 10x.[1] Passing the CR would have approved those spending changes as if they were in an appropriations bill. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act

dionian 1y ago
with a clean CR we can open the government temporarily and pass a budget, right? the whole CR thing is terrible, we need single subject bills
- yks 1y ago
  the government doesn't need to be opened for a budget to pass though, "clean CR" is not a prerequisite for anything
- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
  They aren't negotiating. They went home. Their job is to come up with a budget but once this didn't go through they just... went home. BTW the not passed continuing resolution only goes through November 21st.

thephyber 1y ago

You still take Republicans in Congress at their word? Look at the actions of Russell Vought, not the words of Ted Cruz.