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Meh, flying is a luxury. We can all stay put until the government pulls its head out of its ass.

by crm9125 11mo ago

Zagitta 11mo ago
Planes transport more things than people, like organs for transplants. Are those a luxury too?
- ssl-3 11mo ago
  I'm an American, and I'm absolutely certain at this point in my life that I will never be able to afford to pay for an organ transplant to benefit myself or anyone that I know, regardless of any compatibile combination of need and availability that may arise. Therefore, it will never happen. So yes: I'd like to suggest that organ transplants may be in fact be luxuries. (If the question were instead worded as "Should organ transplants be considered luxuries?" then my answer would be written very differently.)
  - johncolanduoni 11mo ago
    You may never be able to afford it, and your private insurance may not pay for it, but Medicare will without much fanfare. So if you’re planning on living past 65 it could happen.
    - ssl-3 11mo ago
      There's a completely non-zero chance that I won't be able to afford to live to reach 65 and will be therefore will never gain the availability of the possibility of receiving an organ transplant. For now, it remains a luxurious and unattainable concept to me.
- temp0826 11mo ago
  Can't tell if joking, healthcare is essentially a luxury now. An organ transplant could very likely lead to someone becoming destitute.
  - johncolanduoni 11mo ago
    If an organ transplant means I have to live on the street, I’ll still take the transplant. It may not be nearly as accessible as it should be, but that doesn’t really mean we can blow it off as unnecessary.
  - Zagitta 11mo ago
    That just goes to show how big the rift in the western world has grown. I'm European, so to me healthcare is not a luxury no.
johncolanduoni 11mo ago
Not if you want the economy to keep functioning. A lot of people doing real work (e.g. engineers flying out to fix medical devices) rely on air travel.
- crm9125 11mo ago
  More people will die if the democrats capitulate, than those from malfunctioning medicals devices (or other reasons). I think you should do more research to understand the true cause and effect of the decisions in the current situation the U.S. finds itself in.
  - johncolanduoni 11mo ago
    I’m not arguing they should capitulate - I’m arguing that we should fund ATC (and some other things) like we do Congress’s salaries. Or just authorize current spending levels by default if Congress shits the bed and simply not have this insane brinksmanship. I happen to agree on the object level issue of maintaining the Medicaid funding. Thanks for talking down to me, though.
  - ssl-3 11mo ago
    Capitulate? That sounds like rhetoric that somehow blames democrats for the state of this mess, but the truth is that there aren't enough democrats in congress for them to matter. There's enough republicans in the House of Representatives for a vote amongst party lines to pass a budget there. That's not a problem for them There's also enough republicans in the Senate to make it happen with a simple majority, which they posess. They surely know this. Republicans can end the debate and vote on a bill -- including one that can temporarily get things moving -- any time they want to. They've got the numbers to do that. It's not a theory. There's precedent. They've made that shift previously[1] in the not-so-distant past. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option
evilduck 11mo ago
Air cargo is also going to be impacted.

Meh, flying is a luxury. We can all stay put until the government pulls its head out of its ass.

by crm9125 11mo ago

Meh, flying is a luxury. We can all stay put until the government pulls its head out of its ass.

Zagitta 11mo ago

Planes transport more things than people, like organs for transplants. Are those a luxury too?

ssl-3 11mo ago
I'm an American, and I'm absolutely certain at this point in my life that I will never be able to afford to pay for an organ transplant to benefit myself or anyone that I know, regardless of any compatibile combination of need and availability that may arise. Therefore, it will never happen. So yes: I'd like to suggest that organ transplants may be in fact be luxuries. (If the question were instead worded as "Should organ transplants be considered luxuries?" then my answer would be written very differently.)
- johncolanduoni 11mo ago
  You may never be able to afford it, and your private insurance may not pay for it, but Medicare will without much fanfare. So if you’re planning on living past 65 it could happen.
  - ssl-3 11mo ago
    There's a completely non-zero chance that I won't be able to afford to live to reach 65 and will be therefore will never gain the availability of the possibility of receiving an organ transplant. For now, it remains a luxurious and unattainable concept to me.
temp0826 11mo ago
Can't tell if joking, healthcare is essentially a luxury now. An organ transplant could very likely lead to someone becoming destitute.
- johncolanduoni 11mo ago
  If an organ transplant means I have to live on the street, I’ll still take the transplant. It may not be nearly as accessible as it should be, but that doesn’t really mean we can blow it off as unnecessary.
- Zagitta 11mo ago
  That just goes to show how big the rift in the western world has grown. I'm European, so to me healthcare is not a luxury no.

johncolanduoni 11mo ago

Not if you want the economy to keep functioning. A lot of people doing real work (e.g. engineers flying out to fix medical devices) rely on air travel.

crm9125 11mo ago
More people will die if the democrats capitulate, than those from malfunctioning medicals devices (or other reasons). I think you should do more research to understand the true cause and effect of the decisions in the current situation the U.S. finds itself in.
- johncolanduoni 11mo ago
  I’m not arguing they should capitulate - I’m arguing that we should fund ATC (and some other things) like we do Congress’s salaries. Or just authorize current spending levels by default if Congress shits the bed and simply not have this insane brinksmanship. I happen to agree on the object level issue of maintaining the Medicaid funding. Thanks for talking down to me, though.
- ssl-3 11mo ago
  Capitulate? That sounds like rhetoric that somehow blames democrats for the state of this mess, but the truth is that there aren't enough democrats in congress for them to matter. There's enough republicans in the House of Representatives for a vote amongst party lines to pass a budget there. That's not a problem for them There's also enough republicans in the Senate to make it happen with a simple majority, which they posess. They surely know this. Republicans can end the debate and vote on a bill -- including one that can temporarily get things moving -- any time they want to. They've got the numbers to do that. It's not a theory. There's precedent. They've made that shift previously[1] in the not-so-distant past. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

evilduck 11mo ago

Air cargo is also going to be impacted.