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The post you are replying separately mentioned both the "linux kernel" and "linux" so the "Linux is a kernel" pedantry feels misplaced here. Besides this old d

by bragr 1y ago

The post you are replying separately mentioned both the "linux kernel" and "linux" so the "Linux is a kernel" pedantry feels misplaced here. Besides this old debate is pretty silly because I doubt anyone could propose (and get a majority of us to agree on) a formal definition of an operating system that would allow us to unambiguously say "that's an OS competent", "that's an OS", and "that's just software that ships with the OS" across a suite of OS's.

happymellon 1y ago
Disagree. "Windows 7" brings a lot of connotations, including the ability to run Windows 7 software. Without that what makes it different to Windows XP?
- exe34 1y ago
  windows xp can run software for windows xp.
  - ryao 1y ago
    If you install the right software, Windows XP reportedly can run most Windows 7 software too: https://github.com/shorthorn-project/One-Core-API-Binaries https://github.com/shorthorn-project/One-Core-API-Binaries That adds various NT 6 APIs and even compatibility modes for various newer versions of Windows up to Windows 11. At a glance, it appears to have support for Vulkan, Direct3D 10 and Direct3D 11 through software rendering, with the option of using WineD3D to get hardware accelerated Direct3D 10 and 11. I assume old WineD3D-PBA binaries run very nicely on that. Interestingly, the developer suggests that installing graphics drivers from newer versions of Windows might be possible at some point, which I assume would provide native hardware acceleration for newer graphics APIs and support for recent graphics cards: > WDDM is not impossible, only very hard. Currently initializes and the subsystem runs, but every driver fails to communicate with it's internal hardware due 2000/XP/2003 doesn't have support for MSI/MSI-X interrupt, required to WDDM drivers works; https://github.com/shorthorn-project/One-Core-API-Binaries/issues/476 https://github.com/shorthorn-project/One-Core-API-Binaries/i...
  - happymellon 1y ago
    Why? If Windows 7 doesnt require the ability to run Windows 7 software to be classed as Windows 7, does XP need to be able to run XP software?
    - exe34 1y ago
      Requirement and ability are different things.
- bragr 1y ago
  >"Windows 7" brings a lot of connotations Sure but are those connotation consistent across people (this thread would tend to say no)? If not, that is essentially the core of my argument that nobody agrees on what "OS" means.
  - ZiiS 1y ago
    Both can be true: a majority of people agree that the is a difference between a 69MB boot and Windows 7; whilst no two people agreeing exactly where to draw that line.
    - BobbyTables2 1y ago
      Ah, good ol’ Windows Theseus
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by bragr 1y ago

happymellon 1y ago

Disagree. "Windows 7" brings a lot of connotations, including the ability to run Windows 7 software. Without that what makes it different to Windows XP?

exe34 1y ago
windows xp can run software for windows xp.
- ryao 1y ago
  If you install the right software, Windows XP reportedly can run most Windows 7 software too: https://github.com/shorthorn-project/One-Core-API-Binaries https://github.com/shorthorn-project/One-Core-API-Binaries That adds various NT 6 APIs and even compatibility modes for various newer versions of Windows up to Windows 11. At a glance, it appears to have support for Vulkan, Direct3D 10 and Direct3D 11 through software rendering, with the option of using WineD3D to get hardware accelerated Direct3D 10 and 11. I assume old WineD3D-PBA binaries run very nicely on that. Interestingly, the developer suggests that installing graphics drivers from newer versions of Windows might be possible at some point, which I assume would provide native hardware acceleration for newer graphics APIs and support for recent graphics cards: > WDDM is not impossible, only very hard. Currently initializes and the subsystem runs, but every driver fails to communicate with it's internal hardware due 2000/XP/2003 doesn't have support for MSI/MSI-X interrupt, required to WDDM drivers works; https://github.com/shorthorn-project/One-Core-API-Binaries/issues/476 https://github.com/shorthorn-project/One-Core-API-Binaries/i...
- happymellon 1y ago
  Why? If Windows 7 doesnt require the ability to run Windows 7 software to be classed as Windows 7, does XP need to be able to run XP software?
  - exe34 1y ago
    Requirement and ability are different things.
bragr 1y ago
>"Windows 7" brings a lot of connotations Sure but are those connotation consistent across people (this thread would tend to say no)? If not, that is essentially the core of my argument that nobody agrees on what "OS" means.
- ZiiS 1y ago
  Both can be true: a majority of people agree that the is a difference between a 69MB boot and Windows 7; whilst no two people agreeing exactly where to draw that line.
  - BobbyTables2 1y ago
    Ah, good ol’ Windows Theseus
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