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Given the limited data we have so far, it's undisputable that self-driving technologies that have been deployed commercially are dramatically safer than human d

Given the limited data we have so far, it's undisputable that self-driving technologies that have been deployed commercially are dramatically safer than human driving. It will take a lot more data to know exactly how true this is, but in the meantime, 120 people die per day on average in the US due to traffic accidents.

JumpCrisscross 11mo ago
> it's undisputable that self-driving technologies that have been deployed commercially are dramatically safer than human driving This is really only true for Waymo, who appear to be the only folks operating at scale who did the work properly. Robotaxi, Cruise and all the others are in a separate bucket and should be statistically separated.
- standardUser 11mo ago
  It's also true of Apollo in China (which has about as many miles logged as Waymo), and presumably, the limited operations of Zoox. I specifically referenced commercial operations.
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- 4d4m 11mo ago
  The same Waymo that sues the DMV to keep their accidents secret?
  - UltraSane 11mo ago
    No they don't, that is Tesla.
jsiepkes 11mo ago
Undisputable? Let's see what happens with the average "accidents per km" these firms keep touting once we let a bunch of self-driving cars drive on the ring around Paris or Antwerp.
- standardUser 11mo ago
  So your only dispute is that you have no dispute, only the idea that things might change in the future, and some hypothetical dispute could emerge. Got it.
  - jsiepkes 11mo ago
    Seriously? You are claiming something is "undisputable" without citing any source or making any attempt at all to explain why that would be. I guess we really do live in a "post truth world" with people like you.
- astrange 11mo ago
  Why would that be different from anywhere else? Highway driving is easier than city driving since it's more predictable.
paganel 11mo ago
So you're ok with getting run over by a machine? You must be seeing this: https://x.com/goodpotatoes/status/1984284314734043453 https://x.com/goodpotatoes/status/1984284314734043453 as absolute barbarity, no? Very bleak and very tech-bro-coded, no wonder that regular people have started seeing us like pariah, we deserve it.

JumpCrisscross 11mo ago

> it's undisputable that self-driving technologies that have been deployed commercially are dramatically safer than human driving This is really only true for Waymo, who appear to be the only folks operating at scale who did the work properly. Robotaxi, Cruise and all the others are in a separate bucket and should be statistically separated.

standardUser 11mo ago
It's also true of Apollo in China (which has about as many miles logged as Waymo), and presumably, the limited operations of Zoox. I specifically referenced commercial operations.
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4d4m 11mo ago
The same Waymo that sues the DMV to keep their accidents secret?
- UltraSane 11mo ago
  No they don't, that is Tesla.

jsiepkes 11mo ago

Undisputable? Let's see what happens with the average "accidents per km" these firms keep touting once we let a bunch of self-driving cars drive on the ring around Paris or Antwerp.

standardUser 11mo ago
So your only dispute is that you have no dispute, only the idea that things might change in the future, and some hypothetical dispute could emerge. Got it.
- jsiepkes 11mo ago
  Seriously? You are claiming something is "undisputable" without citing any source or making any attempt at all to explain why that would be. I guess we really do live in a "post truth world" with people like you.
astrange 11mo ago
Why would that be different from anywhere else? Highway driving is easier than city driving since it's more predictable.

paganel 11mo ago

So you're ok with getting run over by a machine? You must be seeing this: https://x.com/goodpotatoes/status/1984284314734043453 https://x.com/goodpotatoes/status/1984284314734043453 as absolute barbarity, no? Very bleak and very tech-bro-coded, no wonder that regular people have started seeing us like pariah, we deserve it.