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I live in CA, but am lucky enough not to be a PG&E customer. My winter off-peak rates are $0.12, compared to $0.43 for PG&E. On the other end, my summer peak is

by emtel 1y ago

I live in CA, but am lucky enough not to be a PG&E customer. My winter off-peak rates are $0.12, compared to $0.43 for PG&E. On the other end, my summer peak is $0.36, vs $0.56. Absolutely absurd.

js2 1y ago
I thought maybe you were in Santa Clara, but you've got even better rates than that. https://www.siliconvalleypower.com/residents/rates-and-fees https://www.siliconvalleypower.com/residents/rates-and-fees
AnotherGoodName 1y ago
Palo Alto municipal power right? I moved across the road from this government owned power company so i was just out of Palo Alto municipality and suddenly had to pay 4x the price. Sigh. It's a weird thing moving to the USA. Everyone's been brainwashed "anything government run is more expensive" yet every example I've ever looked into proved the opposite to a dramatic extent. Government run institutions lead to lower overall costs.
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- lsaferite 1y ago
  I never understand how people can't see that private companies have a "must make a profit" motive while a non-captured government has a "must help citizenry" motive. Essential services being privately owned means they are incentivized to squeeze more profit in any way they can, to the detriment of their captive customers.
  - embedding-shape 1y ago
    I'm guessing the upper-class managed to convince people of that as well as they managed to convince them of "the dangers of unions". There seems to be (at this point) almost an innate reaction to just hearing "union" or "general strike" that makes people recoil, even though they're necessary part of a society where capitalism exists, otherwise there is no way of stopping it when it outgrows any other concerns.
  - parineum 1y ago
    If the government is on my side, why don't they attempt to solve this problem instead of actively causing it? It's unsurprising that companies want to make money, it is, however, shocking how corrupt the CA government is when it comes to the issue. The government is the cause of the problem.
    - lsaferite 1y ago
      "non-captured government"
      - parineum 1y ago
        Spherical cows in a vacuum
- dylan604 1y ago
  Easy with the way you're tossing around everyone there.
vladgur 1y ago
The arbitrage opportunities here are insane. You should install an electric charger or two in your front yard and charge people 50-100% premiums to use your power :) I live 20 minutes north of you. My power is in fact 4 times expensive in the winter. BRB, Shopping on amazon for a 20-mile long extension cord
culopatin 1y ago
Alameda?

by emtel 1y ago

I live in CA, but am lucky enough not to be a PG&E customer. My winter off-peak rates are $0.12, compared to $0.43 for PG&E. On the other end, my summer peak is $0.36, vs $0.56. Absolutely absurd.

js2 1y ago

I thought maybe you were in Santa Clara, but you've got even better rates than that. https://www.siliconvalleypower.com/residents/rates-and-fees https://www.siliconvalleypower.com/residents/rates-and-fees

AnotherGoodName 1y ago

Palo Alto municipal power right? I moved across the road from this government owned power company so i was just out of Palo Alto municipality and suddenly had to pay 4x the price. Sigh. It's a weird thing moving to the USA. Everyone's been brainwashed "anything government run is more expensive" yet every example I've ever looked into proved the opposite to a dramatic extent. Government run institutions lead to lower overall costs.

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lsaferite 1y ago
I never understand how people can't see that private companies have a "must make a profit" motive while a non-captured government has a "must help citizenry" motive. Essential services being privately owned means they are incentivized to squeeze more profit in any way they can, to the detriment of their captive customers.
- embedding-shape 1y ago
  I'm guessing the upper-class managed to convince people of that as well as they managed to convince them of "the dangers of unions". There seems to be (at this point) almost an innate reaction to just hearing "union" or "general strike" that makes people recoil, even though they're necessary part of a society where capitalism exists, otherwise there is no way of stopping it when it outgrows any other concerns.
- parineum 1y ago
  If the government is on my side, why don't they attempt to solve this problem instead of actively causing it? It's unsurprising that companies want to make money, it is, however, shocking how corrupt the CA government is when it comes to the issue. The government is the cause of the problem.
  - lsaferite 1y ago
    "non-captured government"
    - parineum 1y ago
      Spherical cows in a vacuum
dylan604 1y ago
Easy with the way you're tossing around everyone there.

vladgur 1y ago

The arbitrage opportunities here are insane. You should install an electric charger or two in your front yard and charge people 50-100% premiums to use your power :) I live 20 minutes north of you. My power is in fact 4 times expensive in the winter. BRB, Shopping on amazon for a 20-mile long extension cord

culopatin 1y ago

Alameda?