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Trump's Demolition Derby

17 points by pcaharrier 1y ago

pcaharrier 1y ago
>This may, then, be an example of technically permissible pay-to-play—in line with the technically permissible destruction of the East Wing, and the technically permissible payment mechanism for the project. None of these seem like they should be allowed in a representative democracy made up of three coequal branches. And yet, somehow, they probably are. It's in the second to last paragraph, but I thought this seemed like a pretty significant and interesting concession.
- barbazoo 1y ago
  I don’t get quite yet how this benefits the president personally. Are his businesses involved in construction somehow?
  - throwawayqqq11 1y ago
    Gigantomania.
k310 1y ago
Bombing ships, Demolishing the White House, Shutting down government, all to distract from the Epstein scandal, which has already taken down a prince. The shutdown began with the recesses of the house, in order to avoid seating a duly elected representative, whose vote could trigger release of the "Epstein Papers" and has only gotten worse since then. She remains unseated by Speaker Johnson. opinion.
- krapp 1y ago
  Trump was caught on tape bragging about how his wealth made it easy for him to sexually assault women when he was running the first time and it didn't harm him a bit. Obviously Trump and the Republicans are pushing to suppress the Epstein files now that the narrative of a widespread and exclusively Democratic pedophile cult has broken down and the Epstein affair isn't as useful as propaganda, but the premise that literally everything Trump has done is an attempt to distract from Epstein is ludicrous. It just isn't that important. It's obvious that even the worst case scenario wouldn't negatively affect Trump in any meaningful way. He won't lose his political or business contacts - all of those bastards were part of it too. He won't get impeached (again.) He can't take another term (legally.) His own base has already either stopped caring or else decided to toe the party line. And how has it "taken down" a prince? Prince Andrew is still a prince. He's still rich. He still has connections. Trump would be no different. None of these people can actually be held accountable in any meaningful way within the bounds of the law.
  - throwawayqqq11 1y ago
    Imagine the next POTUS uses the same executive overreach against trump and his goons. In bet they are very afraid of that possibility, considering the POTUS still has "royal" immunity. This is a all-or-nothing game now and it will all be decided how much military and law enforcement is under trumps control.
    - AnimalMuppet 1y ago
      > it will all be decided how much military and law enforcement is under trumps control. We aren't quite there yet. Trump is still respecting Federal court decisions against him (though appealing them). If he starts blatantly ignoring those, then yes, we will be where you say.
  - deeg 1y ago
    Unfortunately I agree. I've been telling people to put no hope into the Epstein files hurting Trump. Everybody knows he's in it or pretending he's not (like Musk). Trumpers will just call it fake news and support him even more. What absolutely galls me is people like Mike Johnson claiming to be Christian and then covering up for this pedophile.
    - k310 1y ago
      Speculation is that Trump is not IN the files, but has inherited the blackmail business from Epstein after his "demise." If so, Trump stands to lose a fortune in worldwide blackmail money, and his hold on the blackmail victims, who may include heads of state, extremely wealthy people and legislators and judges. In other words, everything; his world and all around it collapse in a heap. The conspiracy theory, so massively promoted, that Epstein's clientele consisted mostly, or entirely, of Democrats has enormously backfired. The distractions from it are now on a worldwide scale, including destruction of "The People's House". Mike Johnson has frozen the House of Representatives and illegally refused to seat an elected representative who could tip a vote on disclosure. Alan Dershowitz, who represented Epstein, said: [0] > key documents in the Epstein case are being “deliberately, willfully suppressed” to protect certain individuals. He claimed to know both the names and the officials suppressing the information. > Pressed by Spicer on whether those individuals were politicians or business leaders, Dershowitz replied, “They’re everything.” [0] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/dershowitz-claims-he-saw-full-epstein-client-list-while-defending-himself-in-giuffre-case/ar-AA1ImMKQ https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/dershowitz-claims-he-sa...

17 points by pcaharrier 1y ago

>This may, then, be an example of technically permissible pay-to-play—in line with the technically permissible destruction of the East Wing, and the technically permissible payment mechanism for the project. None of these seem like they should be allowed in a representative democracy made up of three coequal branches. And yet, somehow, they probably are. It's in the second to last paragraph, but I thought this seemed like a pretty significant and interesting concession.

barbazoo 1y ago
I don’t get quite yet how this benefits the president personally. Are his businesses involved in construction somehow?
- throwawayqqq11 1y ago
  Gigantomania.

k310 1y ago

Bombing ships, Demolishing the White House, Shutting down government, all to distract from the Epstein scandal, which has already taken down a prince. The shutdown began with the recesses of the house, in order to avoid seating a duly elected representative, whose vote could trigger release of the "Epstein Papers" and has only gotten worse since then. She remains unseated by Speaker Johnson. opinion.

krapp 1y ago
Trump was caught on tape bragging about how his wealth made it easy for him to sexually assault women when he was running the first time and it didn't harm him a bit. Obviously Trump and the Republicans are pushing to suppress the Epstein files now that the narrative of a widespread and exclusively Democratic pedophile cult has broken down and the Epstein affair isn't as useful as propaganda, but the premise that literally everything Trump has done is an attempt to distract from Epstein is ludicrous. It just isn't that important. It's obvious that even the worst case scenario wouldn't negatively affect Trump in any meaningful way. He won't lose his political or business contacts - all of those bastards were part of it too. He won't get impeached (again.) He can't take another term (legally.) His own base has already either stopped caring or else decided to toe the party line. And how has it "taken down" a prince? Prince Andrew is still a prince. He's still rich. He still has connections. Trump would be no different. None of these people can actually be held accountable in any meaningful way within the bounds of the law.
- throwawayqqq11 1y ago
  Imagine the next POTUS uses the same executive overreach against trump and his goons. In bet they are very afraid of that possibility, considering the POTUS still has "royal" immunity. This is a all-or-nothing game now and it will all be decided how much military and law enforcement is under trumps control.
  - AnimalMuppet 1y ago
    > it will all be decided how much military and law enforcement is under trumps control. We aren't quite there yet. Trump is still respecting Federal court decisions against him (though appealing them). If he starts blatantly ignoring those, then yes, we will be where you say.
- deeg 1y ago
  Unfortunately I agree. I've been telling people to put no hope into the Epstein files hurting Trump. Everybody knows he's in it or pretending he's not (like Musk). Trumpers will just call it fake news and support him even more. What absolutely galls me is people like Mike Johnson claiming to be Christian and then covering up for this pedophile.
  - k310 1y ago
    Speculation is that Trump is not IN the files, but has inherited the blackmail business from Epstein after his "demise." If so, Trump stands to lose a fortune in worldwide blackmail money, and his hold on the blackmail victims, who may include heads of state, extremely wealthy people and legislators and judges. In other words, everything; his world and all around it collapse in a heap. The conspiracy theory, so massively promoted, that Epstein's clientele consisted mostly, or entirely, of Democrats has enormously backfired. The distractions from it are now on a worldwide scale, including destruction of "The People's House". Mike Johnson has frozen the House of Representatives and illegally refused to seat an elected representative who could tip a vote on disclosure. Alan Dershowitz, who represented Epstein, said: [0] > key documents in the Epstein case are being “deliberately, willfully suppressed” to protect certain individuals. He claimed to know both the names and the officials suppressing the information. > Pressed by Spicer on whether those individuals were politicians or business leaders, Dershowitz replied, “They’re everything.” [0] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/dershowitz-claims-he-saw-full-epstein-client-list-while-defending-himself-in-giuffre-case/ar-AA1ImMKQ https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/dershowitz-claims-he-sa...