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> Oh, and free speech and anti-censorship and all that jazz. That jazz is increasingly played by the same band of 185.220.0.0/16 exit nodes, and plays it in a

> Oh, and free speech and anti-censorship and all that jazz. That jazz is increasingly played by the same band of 185.220.0.0/16 exit nodes, and plays it in a scale which is all but Anonymian.

storm1er 1y ago
I would like to know more, can you give me some insight?
- wartywhoa23 1y ago
  Well if you use Tor somewhat regularly and check your exit node IP, it is about 50% possible that yours is in that subnet each time you renew the route. Which begs questions. Maybe I'm wrong, but it would look more benign to have exit nodes distributed without this much bias towards that particular subnet.
  - bauruine 1y ago
    It's only 185.220.100 [0] and 185.220.101 [1] that contain all those relays. Some of the bigger German families work together as "Stiftung Erneuerbare Freiheit" that's why you see a big cluster there. But Tor never uses relays in the same /16 for a circuit so it's not really an issue. [0] https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/185.220.100 https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/185.220.100 [1] https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/185.220.101 https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/185.220.101
    - mo 1y ago
      Correct. "Stiftung Erneuerbare Freiheit" acts as LIR in charge of the address space, handing out chunks of that space to exit relay operating non-profits for free, but does not operate any Tor infrastructure themselves and has no visibility into the traffic. The cost for us are the RIPE membership fees (approx 2000€/yr). Source: I'm its director and founder of torservers.net. Usually using a different nick here.
- 5f3cfa1a 1y ago
  https://nusenu.github.io/OrNetStats/ https://nusenu.github.io/OrNetStats/ should give you a feel for the overall size & relative homogeneity of the current Tor network.
flotzam 1y ago
No part of hosting or visiting onion services involves exit nodes. Onion service traffic stays within the Tor network instead of exiting to the clearnet.
immibis 1y ago
Run more exit nodes then, and more onion services so they don't need to involve exit nodes. It's also not such a big deal, provided they aren't messing with your exit traffic which you did encrypt, right? There are few exit nodes, but a great many non-exit nodes which still help anonymize your traffic. If you think it's a problem though, run an exit node.
- denkmoon 1y ago
  I’m sure lots of people would run exit nodes if it wasn’t the equivalent of putting a flashing neon sign saying “please ruin my life mr government” in front of your house

> Oh, and free speech and anti-censorship and all that jazz. That jazz is increasingly played by the same band of 185.220.0.0/16 exit nodes, and plays it in a scale which is all but Anonymian.

storm1er 1y ago

I would like to know more, can you give me some insight?

wartywhoa23 1y ago
Well if you use Tor somewhat regularly and check your exit node IP, it is about 50% possible that yours is in that subnet each time you renew the route. Which begs questions. Maybe I'm wrong, but it would look more benign to have exit nodes distributed without this much bias towards that particular subnet.
- bauruine 1y ago
  It's only 185.220.100 [0] and 185.220.101 [1] that contain all those relays. Some of the bigger German families work together as "Stiftung Erneuerbare Freiheit" that's why you see a big cluster there. But Tor never uses relays in the same /16 for a circuit so it's not really an issue. [0] https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/185.220.100 https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/185.220.100 [1] https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/185.220.101 https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/185.220.101
  - mo 1y ago
    Correct. "Stiftung Erneuerbare Freiheit" acts as LIR in charge of the address space, handing out chunks of that space to exit relay operating non-profits for free, but does not operate any Tor infrastructure themselves and has no visibility into the traffic. The cost for us are the RIPE membership fees (approx 2000€/yr). Source: I'm its director and founder of torservers.net. Usually using a different nick here.
5f3cfa1a 1y ago
https://nusenu.github.io/OrNetStats/ https://nusenu.github.io/OrNetStats/ should give you a feel for the overall size & relative homogeneity of the current Tor network.

flotzam 1y ago

No part of hosting or visiting onion services involves exit nodes. Onion service traffic stays within the Tor network instead of exiting to the clearnet.

immibis 1y ago

Run more exit nodes then, and more onion services so they don't need to involve exit nodes. It's also not such a big deal, provided they aren't messing with your exit traffic which you did encrypt, right? There are few exit nodes, but a great many non-exit nodes which still help anonymize your traffic. If you think it's a problem though, run an exit node.

denkmoon 1y ago
I’m sure lots of people would run exit nodes if it wasn’t the equivalent of putting a flashing neon sign saying “please ruin my life mr government” in front of your house