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We don’t think about it that much because every assumption we make is likely to turn out to be wildly inaccurate and the technology of the time will likely solv

We don’t think about it that much because every assumption we make is likely to turn out to be wildly inaccurate and the technology of the time will likely solve all of the problems we worry about now long before they ever reach that breaking point we are currently worrying about. Take the example from another thread today. In the 60s we were worried about food shortages to support the exploding population, but it turned out that we solved that problem way before the population number was at that assumed “breaking point”. We can theorize now about the problems we will face in 100k years, but what about the problems we can’t ever foresee? Aliens with hyperlight laser beams? Rogue asteroids? We have no answers for those types of problems, but they are probably more likely than anything we can dream up today.

bluGill 1y ago
astroids are a problem, but we know enough physics to say aliens can't attack. if they exist they are too far away to know we are here.
- griffzhowl 1y ago
  > we know enough physics to say aliens can't attack Don't be too optimistic... This isn't just a question of physics but also about the probability of the emergence of complex technological intelligence. Since we only know about a single case, we can't determine this probability. We can make various guesses but these all involve assumptions about things other than physics
  - bluGill 1y ago
    all the alien intelligence needs to obey the laws of physics we know. There might be major things we don't know but it still fits in our current laws. unless you are appealing to 'God can do anything' - but since God wouldn't do that we can ignore that he could.
    - griffzhowl 1y ago
      Well, one thing we don't know physically is whether traversable wormholes exist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole#Traversable_wormholes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole#Traversable_wormholes Even if all travel is limited by lightspeed, without knowing the probability of emergence of intelligent life, we don't know how far away or how long ago such life is likely to have formed. Even if we did have a better idea about this probability, we still couldn't rule out that intelligent life had by chance formed relatively nearby, relatively long ago, thereby allowing them to reach us by now. Nothing in physics forbids this as far as I know. Personally I don't think an advanced alien civ would attack us anyway, because we'd be no threat. Since intelligence seems to imply curiosity, they might want to observe or experiment with us instead, but that's speculative
      - teiferer 1y ago
        > Even if we did have a better idea about this probability, we still couldn't rule out that intelligent life had by chance formed relatively nearby, relatively long ago, thereby allowing them to reach us by now. What is "now"? Within the next 100,000 years? In human terms, that's an eternity, and in galaxy term, that's an insignificant amount of time. In other words, almost certain not to happen. Even if it does, do we even notice? Chances are they either immediately kill us all, or they just observe and will stay hidden. A face to face interaction is scifi, not reality. Tbh, on the list of things that humankind should worry about, an alien visit isn't even in the top 100. It's understandable that it's a great topic to muse about, especially among tech folks. It's been part of scifi lore for generations and one can spend a lot of time discussing technical aspects. That's by far less messy and depressing than dealing with actual real-world problems (like wars, drift to dictatorships, oppression of minorities, inequality, climate crisis, human-made ecological disasters, heritary or contagious diseases, etc etc). Though when it's about devoting actual societal resources, it would be a waste to spend them on alien visitor questions beyond writing novels and making movies. Even if it's more fun to nerd out on intergalactical travel rather than preventing school shootings.
        cindyllm 1y ago

bluGill 1y ago

astroids are a problem, but we know enough physics to say aliens can't attack. if they exist they are too far away to know we are here.

griffzhowl 1y ago
> we know enough physics to say aliens can't attack Don't be too optimistic... This isn't just a question of physics but also about the probability of the emergence of complex technological intelligence. Since we only know about a single case, we can't determine this probability. We can make various guesses but these all involve assumptions about things other than physics
- bluGill 1y ago
  all the alien intelligence needs to obey the laws of physics we know. There might be major things we don't know but it still fits in our current laws. unless you are appealing to 'God can do anything' - but since God wouldn't do that we can ignore that he could.
  - griffzhowl 1y ago
    Well, one thing we don't know physically is whether traversable wormholes exist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole#Traversable_wormholes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole#Traversable_wormholes Even if all travel is limited by lightspeed, without knowing the probability of emergence of intelligent life, we don't know how far away or how long ago such life is likely to have formed. Even if we did have a better idea about this probability, we still couldn't rule out that intelligent life had by chance formed relatively nearby, relatively long ago, thereby allowing them to reach us by now. Nothing in physics forbids this as far as I know. Personally I don't think an advanced alien civ would attack us anyway, because we'd be no threat. Since intelligence seems to imply curiosity, they might want to observe or experiment with us instead, but that's speculative
    - teiferer 1y ago
      > Even if we did have a better idea about this probability, we still couldn't rule out that intelligent life had by chance formed relatively nearby, relatively long ago, thereby allowing them to reach us by now. What is "now"? Within the next 100,000 years? In human terms, that's an eternity, and in galaxy term, that's an insignificant amount of time. In other words, almost certain not to happen. Even if it does, do we even notice? Chances are they either immediately kill us all, or they just observe and will stay hidden. A face to face interaction is scifi, not reality. Tbh, on the list of things that humankind should worry about, an alien visit isn't even in the top 100. It's understandable that it's a great topic to muse about, especially among tech folks. It's been part of scifi lore for generations and one can spend a lot of time discussing technical aspects. That's by far less messy and depressing than dealing with actual real-world problems (like wars, drift to dictatorships, oppression of minorities, inequality, climate crisis, human-made ecological disasters, heritary or contagious diseases, etc etc). Though when it's about devoting actual societal resources, it would be a waste to spend them on alien visitor questions beyond writing novels and making movies. Even if it's more fun to nerd out on intergalactical travel rather than preventing school shootings.
      - cindyllm 1y ago