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I mean.. there are a lot of people with that name, and it's an homage.

by boxed 1y ago

lapcat 1y ago
> I mean.. there are a lot of people with that name What are you saying here? You already admitted publicy that it was about Tony Iommi the guitarist of Black Sabbath and not anyone else with the name. > it's an homage Which of course directly contradicts the first clause of your sentence.
- boxed 1y ago
  Maybe I'm confused. Which law would you presume was violated? Did Django violate the same law when it was named Django? Did Python violate that same law?
  - lapcat 1y ago
    The issue is that Tony Iommi is a live person, so using his name can give the impression that he endorses or is in some way associated with the product. Django Reinhardt died in 1953 and thus cannot endorse a product 50 years later. Monty Python is not a person.
    - boxed 1y ago
      Monty Python was at the time a group of people (seems worse than a single person), and afaik also a trademark (also seems worse). But yea, maybe Python made a legal gamble that just happened to work out. I am not a lawyer :shrug:
    - ofrzeta 1y ago
      I don't think anyone is under the impression that Tony Iommi is promoting a web framework.
      - lapcat 1y ago
        Why not? After all, he's promoting a perfume: https://www.nordstrom.com/s/tony-iommi-monkey-special-parfum/8101983 https://www.nordstrom.com/s/tony-iommi-monkey-special-parfum...
        cholantesh 1y ago
        Having spent a lifetime around hessians, I can't imagine a product I want less.
        boxed 1y ago
        I honestly doubt he's promoting it after seeing it :P Sounds more like his record company could smell money.
  - Triphibian 1y ago
    The ultimate test of this would be to name the next thing Kardashian.
- pessimizer 1y ago
  > You already admitted publicy that it was about Tony Iommi the guitarist of Black Sabbath and not anyone else with the name. So that means that the only way that you can absolutely associate the project with Tony Iommi is the post in which the author says that it has nothing to do with Tony Iommi other than he's a guitarist like Django Reinhardt? Seems like the opposite of a slam dunk. It's also 1) a very obvious and cute joke for people who are familiar with both guitarists, and 2) you don't own your last name - although if you put "Iommi" on a guitar (or a studded leather jacket), you're going to have a problem. But if you call your casserole recipe Iommi's Casserole, only a moron in a hurry is going to be confused. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_moron_in_a_hurry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_moron_in_a_hurry
  - lapcat 1y ago
    > So that means that the only way that you can absolutely associate the project with Tony Iommi is the post in which the author says that it has nothing to do with Tony Iommi other than he's a guitarist like Django Reinhardt? No, everything on https://iommi.rocks https://iommi.rocks screams Tony Iommi, who was himself famously inspired by Django Reinhardt, because they both suffered severe finger injuries. "Your first pick"... guitar pick. "for a Django power chord"... Tony Iommi was famous for using power chords (in part due to his loss of fingers). The sample code uses "Album" and "Artist". Even the "rocks" in the domain name is suggestive. > Seems like the opposite of a slam dunk. > It's also 1) a very obvious and cute joke for people who are familiar with both guitarists These consecutive sentences are strangely contradictory. Not a slam dunk, yet very obvious? > you don't own your last name - although if you put "Iommi" on a guitar (or a studded leather jacket), you're going to have a problem. As I said in another comment, this is not a trademark issue. It's good that you admit, though, that there are limits to using a person's name on a product. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45758717 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45758717 > But if you call your casserole recipe Iommi's Casserole, only a moron in a hurry is going to be confused. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_moron_in_a_hurry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_moron_in_a_hurry Of course nobody is going to confuse a casserole or a Python package with a guitarist. But that's not the issue. Again, Tony Iommi is a person and not a product. If you market your casserole by giving the impression that Tony Iommi may have invented the recipe for the casserole, or at least knows of and endorses the casserole, that would be problematic.

I mean.. there are a lot of people with that name, and it's an homage.

by boxed 1y ago

I mean.. there are a lot of people with that name, and it's an homage.

> I mean.. there are a lot of people with that name What are you saying here? You already admitted publicy that it was about Tony Iommi the guitarist of Black Sabbath and not anyone else with the name. > it's an homage Which of course directly contradicts the first clause of your sentence.

boxed 1y ago
Maybe I'm confused. Which law would you presume was violated? Did Django violate the same law when it was named Django? Did Python violate that same law?
- lapcat 1y ago
  The issue is that Tony Iommi is a live person, so using his name can give the impression that he endorses or is in some way associated with the product. Django Reinhardt died in 1953 and thus cannot endorse a product 50 years later. Monty Python is not a person.
  - boxed 1y ago
    Monty Python was at the time a group of people (seems worse than a single person), and afaik also a trademark (also seems worse). But yea, maybe Python made a legal gamble that just happened to work out. I am not a lawyer :shrug:
  - ofrzeta 1y ago
    I don't think anyone is under the impression that Tony Iommi is promoting a web framework.
    - lapcat 1y ago
      Why not? After all, he's promoting a perfume: https://www.nordstrom.com/s/tony-iommi-monkey-special-parfum/8101983 https://www.nordstrom.com/s/tony-iommi-monkey-special-parfum...
      - cholantesh 1y ago
        Having spent a lifetime around hessians, I can't imagine a product I want less.
      - boxed 1y ago
        I honestly doubt he's promoting it after seeing it :P Sounds more like his record company could smell money.
- Triphibian 1y ago
  The ultimate test of this would be to name the next thing Kardashian.
pessimizer 1y ago
> You already admitted publicy that it was about Tony Iommi the guitarist of Black Sabbath and not anyone else with the name. So that means that the only way that you can absolutely associate the project with Tony Iommi is the post in which the author says that it has nothing to do with Tony Iommi other than he's a guitarist like Django Reinhardt? Seems like the opposite of a slam dunk. It's also 1) a very obvious and cute joke for people who are familiar with both guitarists, and 2) you don't own your last name - although if you put "Iommi" on a guitar (or a studded leather jacket), you're going to have a problem. But if you call your casserole recipe Iommi's Casserole, only a moron in a hurry is going to be confused. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_moron_in_a_hurry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_moron_in_a_hurry
- lapcat 1y ago
  > So that means that the only way that you can absolutely associate the project with Tony Iommi is the post in which the author says that it has nothing to do with Tony Iommi other than he's a guitarist like Django Reinhardt? No, everything on https://iommi.rocks https://iommi.rocks screams Tony Iommi, who was himself famously inspired by Django Reinhardt, because they both suffered severe finger injuries. "Your first pick"... guitar pick. "for a Django power chord"... Tony Iommi was famous for using power chords (in part due to his loss of fingers). The sample code uses "Album" and "Artist". Even the "rocks" in the domain name is suggestive. > Seems like the opposite of a slam dunk. > It's also 1) a very obvious and cute joke for people who are familiar with both guitarists These consecutive sentences are strangely contradictory. Not a slam dunk, yet very obvious? > you don't own your last name - although if you put "Iommi" on a guitar (or a studded leather jacket), you're going to have a problem. As I said in another comment, this is not a trademark issue. It's good that you admit, though, that there are limits to using a person's name on a product. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45758717 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45758717 > But if you call your casserole recipe Iommi's Casserole, only a moron in a hurry is going to be confused. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_moron_in_a_hurry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_moron_in_a_hurry Of course nobody is going to confuse a casserole or a Python package with a guitarist. But that's not the issue. Again, Tony Iommi is a person and not a product. If you market your casserole by giving the impression that Tony Iommi may have invented the recipe for the casserole, or at least knows of and endorses the casserole, that would be problematic.