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> Where are the peace movements? A lot of the "peace movements" of the past were financially and ideologically supported by the USSR and Russia [1]. There's n

> Where are the peace movements? A lot of the "peace movements" of the past were financially and ideologically supported by the USSR and Russia [1]. There's nothing bad per se to say against pacifism, to the contrary - but the public image of pacifist movements these days has been heavily tarnished by both the obvious Russia-apologetism regarding the Ukraine war [2] and outright glorification of the horrors done by Hamas on Oct 7th. [1] https://www.swr.de/swrkultur/wissen/wie-russische-einflussnehmer-die-deutsche-friedensbewegung-unterwanderten-102.html https://www.swr.de/swrkultur/wissen/wie-russische-einflussne... [2] https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/zuviel-verstaendnis-fuer-putin-friedensbewegung-in-der-krise,UxEk6No https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/zuviel-verstaendnis-fue...

tclancy 1y ago
This is some fine astroturfing. They don’t exist anymore because they were commie-funded and also they exist and are cheering for Hamas to kill Israelis. Yes, peace movements are famous for that.
- mschuster91 1y ago
  > They don’t exist anymore because they were commie-funded I don't claim they don't exist any more, I claim they lost political relevance. > and also they exist and are cheering for Hamas to kill Israelis AI and HRW have a serious anti-Israel bias [1]. [1] https://www.cfr.org/blog/why-amnesty-international-suspended-its-israel-branch https://www.cfr.org/blog/why-amnesty-international-suspended...
  - litenboll 1y ago
    That article has no real arguments for the bias. And if you are trying to make a point, at least to to cite a somewhat neutral source, Elliott Abrams is very pro-Israel. You could also argue that for such as small country Israel has managed disproportionate amounts of suffering and should be treated thereafter. I'm so sick of people taking the Israeli side as if they are some innocent nation being harassed by Hamas. They are ruthlessly killing Palestinians and the world is mostly acting as if this is a proper response to a single incident killing just a fraction of people. What Hamas did on the 7th of October 2023 was terrible, what Israel has done since then is way way way way worse, not even comparable. And going back in history it looks the same. AI and HRW is taking a stance against these terrible crimes, while the rest of the world is cheering on.
    - mschuster91 1y ago
      > What Hamas did on the 7th of October 2023 was terrible, what Israel has done since then is way way way way worse, not even comparable. Legally, Israel would have had the right to wipe Palestine off the map as a response to this factual declaration of war until Hamas declares surrender.
      - litenboll 1y ago
        According to what law exactly?
  - cholantesh 1y ago
    As per the very unbiased CIA influence launderers at the CFR.
coldtea 1y ago
So, 80 years of occupation, displacement, and killings didn't tarnish them, nor 2 years of bombing civillians enclosed in a walled off plot of land, with 100,000 dead and genocide - but a single day attack where most people just died from friendly fire under a "allow no hostages" doctrine did?

tclancy 1y ago

This is some fine astroturfing. They don’t exist anymore because they were commie-funded and also they exist and are cheering for Hamas to kill Israelis. Yes, peace movements are famous for that.

mschuster91 1y ago
> They don’t exist anymore because they were commie-funded I don't claim they don't exist any more, I claim they lost political relevance. > and also they exist and are cheering for Hamas to kill Israelis AI and HRW have a serious anti-Israel bias [1]. [1] https://www.cfr.org/blog/why-amnesty-international-suspended-its-israel-branch https://www.cfr.org/blog/why-amnesty-international-suspended...
- litenboll 1y ago
  That article has no real arguments for the bias. And if you are trying to make a point, at least to to cite a somewhat neutral source, Elliott Abrams is very pro-Israel. You could also argue that for such as small country Israel has managed disproportionate amounts of suffering and should be treated thereafter. I'm so sick of people taking the Israeli side as if they are some innocent nation being harassed by Hamas. They are ruthlessly killing Palestinians and the world is mostly acting as if this is a proper response to a single incident killing just a fraction of people. What Hamas did on the 7th of October 2023 was terrible, what Israel has done since then is way way way way worse, not even comparable. And going back in history it looks the same. AI and HRW is taking a stance against these terrible crimes, while the rest of the world is cheering on.
  - mschuster91 1y ago
    > What Hamas did on the 7th of October 2023 was terrible, what Israel has done since then is way way way way worse, not even comparable. Legally, Israel would have had the right to wipe Palestine off the map as a response to this factual declaration of war until Hamas declares surrender.
    - litenboll 1y ago
      According to what law exactly?
- cholantesh 1y ago
  As per the very unbiased CIA influence launderers at the CFR.

coldtea 1y ago

So, 80 years of occupation, displacement, and killings didn't tarnish them, nor 2 years of bombing civillians enclosed in a walled off plot of land, with 100,000 dead and genocide - but a single day attack where most people just died from friendly fire under a "allow no hostages" doctrine did?