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> has a better UI You can not be serious. How can you possibly think that an UI that consists of 1) two stacked toolbars full of confusing icons and 2) a bunch

by veeti 14y ago

> has a better UI You can not be serious. How can you possibly think that an UI that consists of 1) two stacked toolbars full of confusing icons and 2) a bunch of options menus with a million levels of nested items is any good at all? The "new" Office 2007 UI is seriously amazing. For the first time ever I could actually find what I wanted in Office without looking for at least a minute. It's logically organized and it's clean. LibreOffice feels like Office 97. That isn't a good thing.

TallGuyShort 14y ago
Opinions differ, but I'm sure he is serious and I agree with him. I find the organization of the menus in Libreoffice much more intuitive than it was in Office when they used that style. I also prefer that style for use with a keyboard - it's much more intuitive when you're not entirely sure what the shortcut is. Even if I did prefer ribbon, it would have to be MUCH better to justify the drawbacks that come with Office (cost, etc.)
amalcon 14y ago
It's not so much that it's a good UI, as that it's better for some users than one with: 1) A set of rotating toolbars full of icons that are just as confusing, though they are arranged better by default 2) No discoverable keyboard interface (Alt-menu access doesn't work without menus) It's a preference thing. I don't think either one is strictly better UI; it just depends on the user's preferred interaction modes.
- pgeorgi 14y ago
  Press Alt in a ribbon UI, and the UI gives you a stable multi-level hotkey set: http://imgur.com/ZYaxc,xQiiK,2WbYk,VVW0S http://imgur.com/ZYaxc,xQiiK,2WbYk,VVW0S - this is when pressing alt, r ("start menu"), au ("auswählen" = select), f ("fangen" = catch - the icon for "select" changes in the last picture). You can move backward using ESC, too: "alt-r, au, esc, esc, a" puts you in the "Ansicht" (view) ribbon. Once in "alt-mode" it always shows you what you can do, and how.
papsosouid 14y ago
Wait what? Are you talking about the horrible ribbon nonsense they've done to MS office recently? I've honestly never heard anything but negative reactions to that interface. It is awful.

by veeti 14y ago

TallGuyShort 14y ago

Opinions differ, but I'm sure he is serious and I agree with him. I find the organization of the menus in Libreoffice much more intuitive than it was in Office when they used that style. I also prefer that style for use with a keyboard - it's much more intuitive when you're not entirely sure what the shortcut is. Even if I did prefer ribbon, it would have to be MUCH better to justify the drawbacks that come with Office (cost, etc.)

amalcon 14y ago

It's not so much that it's a good UI, as that it's better for some users than one with: 1) A set of rotating toolbars full of icons that are just as confusing, though they are arranged better by default 2) No discoverable keyboard interface (Alt-menu access doesn't work without menus) It's a preference thing. I don't think either one is strictly better UI; it just depends on the user's preferred interaction modes.

pgeorgi 14y ago
Press Alt in a ribbon UI, and the UI gives you a stable multi-level hotkey set: http://imgur.com/ZYaxc,xQiiK,2WbYk,VVW0S http://imgur.com/ZYaxc,xQiiK,2WbYk,VVW0S - this is when pressing alt, r ("start menu"), au ("auswählen" = select), f ("fangen" = catch - the icon for "select" changes in the last picture). You can move backward using ESC, too: "alt-r, au, esc, esc, a" puts you in the "Ansicht" (view) ribbon. Once in "alt-mode" it always shows you what you can do, and how.

papsosouid 14y ago

Wait what? Are you talking about the horrible ribbon nonsense they've done to MS office recently? I've honestly never heard anything but negative reactions to that interface. It is awful.