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Their emissions are the emissions of Western companies for whom they are doing manufacturing.

kwanbix 11mo ago
AS if they don't consume the products themselves with their 1.2 billion people? My home country we are only 40 million. I am sure they consume much more than us.
- geysersam 11mo ago
  So what? I'm sure I personally consume much less than your country of 40 million
  - kwanbix 11mo ago
    The point is China consumes a lot, for the rest of the world and for itself. Was pretty obvious, but I wrote it down for you as you seem to be having trouble understanding the concept.
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quacked 11mo ago
The global economy is so China-dependent it doesn't even make sense to talk about an individual country's emissions profile unless we look at their imports.
- throwawaymaths 11mo ago
  There are import corrected CO2 emissions data you can check if you care. Tl;Dr it's not as big as you think it is.
  - philipkglass 11mo ago
    These are 3 relevant data sets from Our World in Data: "Per capita consumption-based CO₂ emissions" (emissions adjusted for imports/exports) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capita https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capit... "Imported or exported CO₂ emissions per capita" (shows the effects of imports/exports alone, as tons) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/imported-or-exported-co-emissions-per-capita https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/imported-or-exported-co-e... "Share of CO₂ emissions embedded in trade" (shows the effects of imports/exports alone, as percentage of total) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-co2-embedded-in-trade https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-co2-embedded-in-tra...
throwawaymaths 11mo ago
You should check the stats on that, it is not the case.
benjiro 11mo ago
> Their emissions are the emissions of Western companies for whom they are doing manufacturing. Spoken like somebody that never stept a foot in China. Sure, manufacturing for the West is part of it, but up to a few years ago, entering Beijing alone resulted in your naval cavities burning, the moment the airplane door opened. Because of the usage from coal in households. It was only until a few years ago, that they banned the usage of wood/coal around the city. Outside the city, its coal everywhere for the normal class people who own their (country)house. Near other large cities its still very coal centric in the winter. And the heating (communal for apartments) is mostly coal and while the coal may burn a bit more clean, and there is some filtration going on, its not a ton. So while open coal burning was reduced directly in the cities like Beijing, they simply moved a lot of it outside the 6th ring. All those EV's ... great, no more gasoline/oil usage but ... wait, where does a lot of the electricity come from? Oeps... But wait, all that crypto mining, where do you think that electricity comes from? And now AI... And the consumer goods. Your statement ignore a large part of the coal consumption in the country.

AS if they don't consume the products themselves with their 1.2 billion people? My home country we are only 40 million. I am sure they consume much more than us.

geysersam 11mo ago
So what? I'm sure I personally consume much less than your country of 40 million
- kwanbix 11mo ago
  The point is China consumes a lot, for the rest of the world and for itself. Was pretty obvious, but I wrote it down for you as you seem to be having trouble understanding the concept.
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quacked 11mo ago

The global economy is so China-dependent it doesn't even make sense to talk about an individual country's emissions profile unless we look at their imports.

throwawaymaths 11mo ago
There are import corrected CO2 emissions data you can check if you care. Tl;Dr it's not as big as you think it is.
- philipkglass 11mo ago
  These are 3 relevant data sets from Our World in Data: "Per capita consumption-based CO₂ emissions" (emissions adjusted for imports/exports) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capita https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capit... "Imported or exported CO₂ emissions per capita" (shows the effects of imports/exports alone, as tons) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/imported-or-exported-co-emissions-per-capita https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/imported-or-exported-co-e... "Share of CO₂ emissions embedded in trade" (shows the effects of imports/exports alone, as percentage of total) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-co2-embedded-in-trade https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-co2-embedded-in-tra...

throwawaymaths 11mo ago

You should check the stats on that, it is not the case.

benjiro 11mo ago

> Their emissions are the emissions of Western companies for whom they are doing manufacturing. Spoken like somebody that never stept a foot in China. Sure, manufacturing for the West is part of it, but up to a few years ago, entering Beijing alone resulted in your naval cavities burning, the moment the airplane door opened. Because of the usage from coal in households. It was only until a few years ago, that they banned the usage of wood/coal around the city. Outside the city, its coal everywhere for the normal class people who own their (country)house. Near other large cities its still very coal centric in the winter. And the heating (communal for apartments) is mostly coal and while the coal may burn a bit more clean, and there is some filtration going on, its not a ton. So while open coal burning was reduced directly in the cities like Beijing, they simply moved a lot of it outside the 6th ring. All those EV's ... great, no more gasoline/oil usage but ... wait, where does a lot of the electricity come from? Oeps... But wait, all that crypto mining, where do you think that electricity comes from? And now AI... And the consumer goods. Your statement ignore a large part of the coal consumption in the country.