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The location you're physically sitting in doesn't really matter. Saying 'san francisco cause san francisco' is also kinda boring and meaningless.

by wubrr 1y ago

vessenes 1y ago
This is the opposite of true. It's actively wrong. Location is almost everything; people move to financial and tech centers for a reason -- it matters where you are and who you know.
- wubrr 1y ago
  nah also, where you are and who you know are very different things
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > where you are and who you know are very different things Different but related. Getting a purposeful introduction involves a lot more friction than being invited to someone's home for dinner with their colleagues and contacts.
    - wubrr 1y ago
      You seem to assume dinner parties and in-person social engineering is the key to success. I guess I have a different opinion - the tech, the product, the efficiency is the key to success.
  - Jackpillar 1y ago
    This is so funny to imply that you (living in East Jesus, Texas) have a better or similar opportunity to me (living in SF) in making more relationships and connections to AI related companies, engineers, investors, customers, acquirers, scientists, etc.
    - wubrr 1y ago
      I live a lot further from SF than Texas, yet I've been working fully remote for SF tech companies (among others) for 10+ years. If I need to meet someone in person, I make a trip (~few times a year) It's true that I can't brownnose/service random tech talking heads in person on a daily basis tho, which is what I assume you mean by 'relationships and connections' lmao
      - Jackpillar 1y ago
        Okay so what you're doing is contradicting the objective advantages/benefits of living near the epicenter of a specific industry with a purely anecdotal example of 10+ years experience in jobs from said epicenter, with the expendable income to travel (domestic/international) for in-person meetings, then defining networking to a disingenuously generalization because it reinforces your opinion. What if I were to tell you that you can make meaningful relationships and connections w/o "brown nosing/servicing" and its easier to do so in the center of a specific industry?
        wubrr 1y ago
        I'm giving you a specific example of why it's not necessary to be in any particular location to work in tech, or network, collaborate, communicate with other tech people. Directly contradicting your baseless assertion about how you have to be in SF for those reasons. Literally a specific, physical example and you're talking about 'defining networking to a disingenuously generalization' ... You are disingenuous.
        Jackpillar 11mo ago
        I truly don't know what to even say. It is futile to relitigate the uncontested reality that there are a wide array of significant advantages to living near cultural, technological, and economic centers that are adjacent to your profession. You live alone in this area where this isn't obvious. I'd even posit you would be more successful than you already are if you lived closer.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> location you're physically sitting in doesn't really matter Of course it does. The benefits of proximity to business clusters [1] is well researched [2]. There is no evidence remote work has dampened that tendency; if anything, as evidenced by AI, the effect seems to have increased. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_cluster#Cluster_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_cluster#Cluster_effec... [2] https://www.isc.hbs.edu/competitiveness-economic-development/research-and-applications/Pages/cluster-studies.aspx#:~:text=Industries%20participating,and%20patenting. https://www.isc.hbs.edu/competitiveness-economic-development...
- wubrr 1y ago
  You're linking to pre-covid studies, that mention some types of benefits (for specific reasons like logistics benefits for businesses relying on physical materials/goos, or physical access to people for the purposes of networking), for some kinds of industries, and also mention that these benefits are not seen for some industries. > Sometimes cluster strategies still do not produce enough of a positive impact to be justified in certain industries. Let's take a step back and look at the fundamentals of a tech company who's employees are remote - what are the specific benefits of having a San Francisco office?
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > linking to pre-covid studies I'm linking to studies summarising a century of work. There is no evidence Covid changed this. Exhibit A for Covid having not changed this is the continuing supremacy of Silicon Valley (tech), Shenzhen (manufacturing) and New York (finance) as industrial clusters that others have tried to replicate (everyone, America and Miami, respectively) and failed. > Let's take a step back and look at the fundamentals of a tech company who's employees are remote - what are the specific benefits of having a San Francisco office? Proximity to investors. Proximity to customers. Proximity to a skilled employee pool. Proxomity to acquirers. (A lot of deals happen at cocktail parties and ski trips.) By the way, I'm not arguing anyone needs an office. Just people physically and and proximate to the cluster.

The location you're physically sitting in doesn't really matter. Saying 'san francisco cause san francisco' is also kinda boring and meaningless.

by wubrr 1y ago

The location you're physically sitting in doesn't really matter. Saying 'san francisco cause san francisco' is also kinda boring and meaningless.

vessenes 1y ago

This is the opposite of true. It's actively wrong. Location is almost everything; people move to financial and tech centers for a reason -- it matters where you are and who you know.

wubrr 1y ago
nah also, where you are and who you know are very different things
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > where you are and who you know are very different things Different but related. Getting a purposeful introduction involves a lot more friction than being invited to someone's home for dinner with their colleagues and contacts.
  - wubrr 1y ago
    You seem to assume dinner parties and in-person social engineering is the key to success. I guess I have a different opinion - the tech, the product, the efficiency is the key to success.
- Jackpillar 1y ago
  This is so funny to imply that you (living in East Jesus, Texas) have a better or similar opportunity to me (living in SF) in making more relationships and connections to AI related companies, engineers, investors, customers, acquirers, scientists, etc.
  - wubrr 1y ago
    I live a lot further from SF than Texas, yet I've been working fully remote for SF tech companies (among others) for 10+ years. If I need to meet someone in person, I make a trip (~few times a year) It's true that I can't brownnose/service random tech talking heads in person on a daily basis tho, which is what I assume you mean by 'relationships and connections' lmao
    - Jackpillar 1y ago
      Okay so what you're doing is contradicting the objective advantages/benefits of living near the epicenter of a specific industry with a purely anecdotal example of 10+ years experience in jobs from said epicenter, with the expendable income to travel (domestic/international) for in-person meetings, then defining networking to a disingenuously generalization because it reinforces your opinion. What if I were to tell you that you can make meaningful relationships and connections w/o "brown nosing/servicing" and its easier to do so in the center of a specific industry?
      - wubrr 1y ago
        I'm giving you a specific example of why it's not necessary to be in any particular location to work in tech, or network, collaborate, communicate with other tech people. Directly contradicting your baseless assertion about how you have to be in SF for those reasons. Literally a specific, physical example and you're talking about 'defining networking to a disingenuously generalization' ... You are disingenuous.
        Jackpillar 11mo ago
        I truly don't know what to even say. It is futile to relitigate the uncontested reality that there are a wide array of significant advantages to living near cultural, technological, and economic centers that are adjacent to your profession. You live alone in this area where this isn't obvious. I'd even posit you would be more successful than you already are if you lived closer.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> location you're physically sitting in doesn't really matter Of course it does. The benefits of proximity to business clusters [1] is well researched [2]. There is no evidence remote work has dampened that tendency; if anything, as evidenced by AI, the effect seems to have increased. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_cluster#Cluster_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_cluster#Cluster_effec... [2] https://www.isc.hbs.edu/competitiveness-economic-development/research-and-applications/Pages/cluster-studies.aspx#:~:text=Industries%20participating,and%20patenting. https://www.isc.hbs.edu/competitiveness-economic-development...

wubrr 1y ago
You're linking to pre-covid studies, that mention some types of benefits (for specific reasons like logistics benefits for businesses relying on physical materials/goos, or physical access to people for the purposes of networking), for some kinds of industries, and also mention that these benefits are not seen for some industries. > Sometimes cluster strategies still do not produce enough of a positive impact to be justified in certain industries. Let's take a step back and look at the fundamentals of a tech company who's employees are remote - what are the specific benefits of having a San Francisco office?
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > linking to pre-covid studies I'm linking to studies summarising a century of work. There is no evidence Covid changed this. Exhibit A for Covid having not changed this is the continuing supremacy of Silicon Valley (tech), Shenzhen (manufacturing) and New York (finance) as industrial clusters that others have tried to replicate (everyone, America and Miami, respectively) and failed. > Let's take a step back and look at the fundamentals of a tech company who's employees are remote - what are the specific benefits of having a San Francisco office? Proximity to investors. Proximity to customers. Proximity to a skilled employee pool. Proxomity to acquirers. (A lot of deals happen at cocktail parties and ski trips.) By the way, I'm not arguing anyone needs an office. Just people physically and and proximate to the cluster.