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While Russia cuts more and more timber for export to China. In return for the support in the war (drone components, etc) China asks for even more and more timbe

by trhway 1y ago

While Russia cuts more and more timber for export to China. In return for the support in the war (drone components, etc) China asks for even more and more timber and fresh water from Baikal.

coliveira 1y ago
I don't think they're giving away the timber. It is a commercial exchange like any other.
- trhway 1y ago
  Yes, it is a massive sale of natural resources with huge discounts in exchange for the war support.
  - cpursley 1y ago
    Source for the discounts? (reddit and x are not a sources btw)
  - themafia 1y ago
    They've been selling forestry products for decades. North Korea is also a big customer. Unsurprisingly, nations with existing and exclusive economic ties, tend to "support" each other. North America does this with South America readily.
  - olalonde 1y ago
    What "war support"? China trades with Russia, as it does with Ukraine. It doesn't support a side in particular.
    - trhway 1y ago
      There are a lot of thing which are clearly "war support", yet it would be a long and frankly pointless discussion, so i'll just refer to China's own words: https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/04/europe/china-ukraine-eu-war-intl https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/04/europe/china-ukraine-eu-war-i... "Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told the European Union’s top diplomat that Beijing can’t accept Russia losing its war against Ukraine..."
      - cpursley 1y ago
        Him or some other pointed out to some important EU person that if they (China, an industrial powerhouse) were actually supporting Russian war efforts, the war would already be over.
cpursley 1y ago
This would happen war or not. Btw, they sell the same off-the-shelf drone components to Ukraine and anyone else willing to pay for them.
ivan_gammel 1y ago
The same article says Russia is on 2nd place in reforestation. They do export timber and can export more, while increasing the share of sustainably managed forests. But export of Baikal fresh water? That’s fake news. Didn’t happen and won’t happen, unless you mean just some bottled water.
- trhway 1y ago
  >The same article says Russia is on 2nd place in reforestation. Reforestation alone doesn't matter. What matters is total result of deforestation and reforestation. Russia reforests only about 1Mha/year : https://www.statista.com/statistics/1059300/russia-reforested-area/?srsltid=AfmBOoq1WvFe2cNIf_vdbNNSAL-3Cqpdy9eOC2y1dLpN06HdOfu7Lvny https://www.statista.com/statistics/1059300/russia-reforeste... while the total resulting loss is https://www.globalforestwatch.org/dashboards/country/RUS/?category=forest-change https://www.globalforestwatch.org/dashboards/country/RUS/?ca... "In 2020, Russia had 748 Mha of natural forest, extending over 44% of its land area. In 2024, it lost 5.59 Mha of natural forest, equivalent to 816 Mt of CO₂ emissions." >But export of Baikal fresh water? That’s fake news. Didn’t happen and won’t happen https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/07/parched-chinese-city-plans-to-pump-water-from-russian-lake-via-1000km-pipeline https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/07/parched-chines... in Russian, that another waterpipeline - from river Ob' was approved at some Russian Parliament "roundtable on strategic projects with China and Kazakhstan". https://topwar.ru/159671-bajkal-xxi-veka-druzhba-druzhboj-a-voda-vroz.html https://topwar.ru/159671-bajkal-xxi-veka-druzhba-druzhboj-a-... and there were strong leaks, not officially dispelled, that Baikal water was raised during the most recent Putin/Xi meeting.
  - cpursley 1y ago
    Kind reminder - this is not reddit.
    - trhway 1y ago
      >Are you from country 404 by any chance? Because that's how these posts read. You may read it whatever way you like. If we look at the facts - statista and globalwatch is some Western sites/orgs, topwar is straight Russian and Guardian is Great Britain. >Kind reminder - this is not reddit. This is why you're using that offensive "404" notation (an expression of the Russian propaganda point that Ukraine isn't a sovereign independent state) when referring to Ukraine?

by trhway 1y ago

While Russia cuts more and more timber for export to China. In return for the support in the war (drone components, etc) China asks for even more and more timber and fresh water from Baikal.

coliveira 1y ago

I don't think they're giving away the timber. It is a commercial exchange like any other.

trhway 1y ago
Yes, it is a massive sale of natural resources with huge discounts in exchange for the war support.
- cpursley 1y ago
  Source for the discounts? (reddit and x are not a sources btw)
- themafia 1y ago
  They've been selling forestry products for decades. North Korea is also a big customer. Unsurprisingly, nations with existing and exclusive economic ties, tend to "support" each other. North America does this with South America readily.
- olalonde 1y ago
  What "war support"? China trades with Russia, as it does with Ukraine. It doesn't support a side in particular.
  - trhway 1y ago
    There are a lot of thing which are clearly "war support", yet it would be a long and frankly pointless discussion, so i'll just refer to China's own words: https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/04/europe/china-ukraine-eu-war-intl https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/04/europe/china-ukraine-eu-war-i... "Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told the European Union’s top diplomat that Beijing can’t accept Russia losing its war against Ukraine..."
    - cpursley 1y ago
      Him or some other pointed out to some important EU person that if they (China, an industrial powerhouse) were actually supporting Russian war efforts, the war would already be over.

cpursley 1y ago

This would happen war or not. Btw, they sell the same off-the-shelf drone components to Ukraine and anyone else willing to pay for them.

ivan_gammel 1y ago

The same article says Russia is on 2nd place in reforestation. They do export timber and can export more, while increasing the share of sustainably managed forests. But export of Baikal fresh water? That’s fake news. Didn’t happen and won’t happen, unless you mean just some bottled water.

trhway 1y ago
>The same article says Russia is on 2nd place in reforestation. Reforestation alone doesn't matter. What matters is total result of deforestation and reforestation. Russia reforests only about 1Mha/year : https://www.statista.com/statistics/1059300/russia-reforested-area/?srsltid=AfmBOoq1WvFe2cNIf_vdbNNSAL-3Cqpdy9eOC2y1dLpN06HdOfu7Lvny https://www.statista.com/statistics/1059300/russia-reforeste... while the total resulting loss is https://www.globalforestwatch.org/dashboards/country/RUS/?category=forest-change https://www.globalforestwatch.org/dashboards/country/RUS/?ca... "In 2020, Russia had 748 Mha of natural forest, extending over 44% of its land area. In 2024, it lost 5.59 Mha of natural forest, equivalent to 816 Mt of CO₂ emissions." >But export of Baikal fresh water? That’s fake news. Didn’t happen and won’t happen https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/07/parched-chinese-city-plans-to-pump-water-from-russian-lake-via-1000km-pipeline https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/07/parched-chines... in Russian, that another waterpipeline - from river Ob' was approved at some Russian Parliament "roundtable on strategic projects with China and Kazakhstan". https://topwar.ru/159671-bajkal-xxi-veka-druzhba-druzhboj-a-voda-vroz.html https://topwar.ru/159671-bajkal-xxi-veka-druzhba-druzhboj-a-... and there were strong leaks, not officially dispelled, that Baikal water was raised during the most recent Putin/Xi meeting.
- cpursley 1y ago
  Kind reminder - this is not reddit.
  - trhway 1y ago
    >Are you from country 404 by any chance? Because that's how these posts read. You may read it whatever way you like. If we look at the facts - statista and globalwatch is some Western sites/orgs, topwar is straight Russian and Guardian is Great Britain. >Kind reminder - this is not reddit. This is why you're using that offensive "404" notation (an expression of the Russian propaganda point that Ukraine isn't a sovereign independent state) when referring to Ukraine?