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Is voting there a one day only event? If not, I feel the solution to that particular problem is quite clear. There’s a million things that could go wrong causin

Is voting there a one day only event? If not, I feel the solution to that particular problem is quite clear. There’s a million things that could go wrong causing you to miss something when you try to do it in a narrow time range (today after work before polls close) If it’s a multi day event, it’s probably that way for a reason. Partially the same as the solution to above.

klardotsh 1y ago
Washington State having full vote-by-mail (there is technically a layer of in-person voting as a fallback for those who need it for accessibility reasons or who missed the registration deadline) has spoiled me rotten, I couldn't imagine having to go back to synchronous on-site voting on a single day like I did in Illinois. Awful. Being able to fill my ballot at my leisure, at home, where I can have all the research material open, and drive it to a ballot drop box whenever is convenient in a 2-3 week window before 20:00 on election night, is a game-changer for democracy. Of course this also means that people who serve to benefit from disenfranchising voters and making it more difficult to vote, absolutely hate our system and continually attack it for one reason or another.
- vanviegen 1y ago
  As a Dutchman, I have to go vote in person on a specific day. But to be honest: I really don't mind doing so. If you live in a town or city, there'll usually be multiple voting locations you can choose from within 10 minutes walking distance. I've never experienced waiting times more than a couple of minutes. Opening times are pretty good, from 7:30 til 21:00. The people there are friendly. What's not to like? (Except for some of the candidates maybe, but that's a whole different story. :-))
  - jfengel 1y ago
    In the US, hours-long lines are routine. Not everywhere, but poorer places tend to have fewer voting machines and longer lines. We've been closing a lot of polling places recently: https://abcnews.go.com/US/protecting-vote-1-5-election-day-polling-places/story?id=114990347 https://abcnews.go.com/US/protecting-vote-1-5-election-day-p...
    - conductr 1y ago
      We have early voting, nobody has to wait, they choose to wait
      - iAMkenough 1y ago
        We're on year five of one of the two parties telling voters to not trust early voting. Their choice is because of the Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt created by the propaganda they are fed. Here's the President of the United States on Sunday: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115441871289276790 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1154418712892... "No mail-in or 'Early' Voting, Yes to Voter ID! Watch how totally dishonest the California Prop Vote is! Millions of Ballots being 'shipped.' GET SMART REPUBLICANS, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!"
        conductr 1y ago
        That's all happening too, but it's honestly a different topic altogether. We have the ability to vote early. Whether you trust it or politicians are trying to undermine your trust in it, etc.... whole other can of worms
        jfengel 1y ago
        Not everyone does. It varies from state to state. Red states in particular have little to no early voting.
    - tags2k 1y ago
      You have early voting, some choose not to trust the early voting system.
    - christkv 1y ago
      Voting machines slow down voting from what I understand
      - esseph 1y ago
  - conductr 1y ago
    So, if you have a minor emergency, like a kidney stone and hospitalized for the day - you just miss your chance to vote in that election? If so, I see a lot to dislike. As the point I was making is you can’t anticipate what might come up. Just because it’s worked thus far doesn’t mean it’s designed for resilience. There’s a lot of ways you could miss out in that type of situation. I seems silly to make sure everything else is redundant and fault tolerant in the name of democracy when the democratic process itself isn’t doing the same.
    - Boltgolt 1y ago
      If hospitalized on that specific day: Sign the back of the voting card and give your ID to a family member, they can cast your vote
      - conductr 1y ago
        How is that an acceptable response? Honestly. You’re in the hospital, in pain, likely having a minor surgery, and having someone cast your vote for you is going to be on your mind too? Do you have your voting card in your pocket just in case this were to play out? That’s just ridiculous in my opinion. Makes me wonder how many well intentioned would be voters end up missing out each election cause shit happens and voting is pretty optional
        gowld 1y ago
        What percent of the electorate is incapacitated on voting day? What is the that group's deviation from the general voting population's preferences? What are the margins of the votes on those ballot questions?
        conductr 1y ago
        Mild curiosity, no idea whether it would be statistically relevant but asking the question is the first step. If you knew the answer, you might want to extend the voting window even if it wouldn't effect an elections outcome it would be a quantified number of people excluded from the democratic process for simply having bad luck at the wrong time.
  - Sleaker 1y ago
    Please lookup US voting poll overflow issues that come up every election cycle. Just because you experience a well streamlined process doesn't mean that it's the norm everywhere.
    - vanviegen 1y ago
      Oh, I know. I'm just saying it can be done properly on a single day. It is a pretty challenging and expensive logistical operation though.
    - yellow_postit 1y ago
      Don’t forget you can’t dare offer water or food to those stuck in lines else that’s considered tampering in many (all?) locales in the US. Mail in voting is just better all around for a geographically diverse place as the US and I wish would be adopted by all states.
      - wyre 1y ago
        Rule of thumb: if Republicans are against it, it’s probably a good thing for everyone else, like mail-in voting. So excited to see how the right-wing pedants here disagree with this.
DontBreakAlex 1y ago
In europe, voting typically happens in one day, where everyone physically goes to their designated voting place and puts papers in a transparent box. You can stay there and wait for the count at the end of the day if you want to. Tom Scott has a very good video about why we don't want electronic/mail voting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI
- jampekka 1y ago
  Many countries in Europe have advance voting.
  - silversmith 1y ago
    Off the top of my head, I can't think of an EU country that does not have some form of advance voting. Here in Latvia the "election day" is usually (always?) on weekend, but the polling stations are open for some (and different!) part of every weekday leading up. Something like couple hours on monday morning, couple hours on tuesday evening, couple around midday wednesday, etc. In my opinion, it's a great system. You have to have a pretty convoluted schedule for at least one window not to line up for you.
    - ndom91 1y ago
      Germany has mail-in voting, not sure if that counts as advanced voting though
    - generalspecific 1y ago
      Ireland doesn't have it.
      - alborzb 1y ago
        That's not true (as somebody who had to do this last year in 2024 because I was traveling in another country for work on election day) Here is the form to register for postal voting in the Republic of Ireland - https://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/2024-01/pv4-work-study-jan-24.pdf https://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/2024-01/pv4-wo... Instructions on how to submit the form / register for mail-in votes is on page 4. Hope that helps anyone else out who needs in Ireland
mc32 1y ago
If India can have voters vote and tally all the votes in one day, then so can everyone else. It’s the best way to avoid fraud and people going with whoever is ahead. I am sympathetic with emergency protocols for deadly pandemics, but for all else, in-person on a given day.
- 20kleagues 1y ago
  Voting in India is staggered over multiple phases over multiple days/weeks. Only the vote count happens on a single day at the end.
- sampo 1y ago
  > If India can have voters vote and tally all the votes in one day, then so can everyone else. In most countries, in the elections you vote or the member of parliament you want. Presidential elections, and city council elections are held separately, but are also equally simple. But in one election you cast your vote for one person, and that's it. With this kind of elections, many countries manage to hold the elections on paper ballots, count them all by hand, and publish results by midnight. But on an American ballot, you vote for, for example: - US president - US senator - US member of congress - state governor - state senator - state member of congress - several votes for several different state judge positions - several other state officer positions - several votes for several local county officers - local sheriff - local school board member - several yes/no votes for several proposed laws, whether they should be passed or not I don't think it would be possible to calculate all these 20 or 40 votes, if calculated by hand. That's why they use voting machines in America. https://ballotpedia.org/Official_sample_ballots,_2020 https://ballotpedia.org/Official_sample_ballots,_2020
  - Freedom2 1y ago
    How is it not possible? It's just additional votes, there isn't anything actually stopping counting by hand, is there? How was it counted historically without voting machines?
    - 1y ago

klardotsh 1y ago

Washington State having full vote-by-mail (there is technically a layer of in-person voting as a fallback for those who need it for accessibility reasons or who missed the registration deadline) has spoiled me rotten, I couldn't imagine having to go back to synchronous on-site voting on a single day like I did in Illinois. Awful. Being able to fill my ballot at my leisure, at home, where I can have all the research material open, and drive it to a ballot drop box whenever is convenient in a 2-3 week window before 20:00 on election night, is a game-changer for democracy. Of course this also means that people who serve to benefit from disenfranchising voters and making it more difficult to vote, absolutely hate our system and continually attack it for one reason or another.

vanviegen 1y ago
As a Dutchman, I have to go vote in person on a specific day. But to be honest: I really don't mind doing so. If you live in a town or city, there'll usually be multiple voting locations you can choose from within 10 minutes walking distance. I've never experienced waiting times more than a couple of minutes. Opening times are pretty good, from 7:30 til 21:00. The people there are friendly. What's not to like? (Except for some of the candidates maybe, but that's a whole different story. :-))
- jfengel 1y ago
  In the US, hours-long lines are routine. Not everywhere, but poorer places tend to have fewer voting machines and longer lines. We've been closing a lot of polling places recently: https://abcnews.go.com/US/protecting-vote-1-5-election-day-polling-places/story?id=114990347 https://abcnews.go.com/US/protecting-vote-1-5-election-day-p...
  - conductr 1y ago
    We have early voting, nobody has to wait, they choose to wait
    - iAMkenough 1y ago
      We're on year five of one of the two parties telling voters to not trust early voting. Their choice is because of the Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt created by the propaganda they are fed. Here's the President of the United States on Sunday: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115441871289276790 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1154418712892... "No mail-in or 'Early' Voting, Yes to Voter ID! Watch how totally dishonest the California Prop Vote is! Millions of Ballots being 'shipped.' GET SMART REPUBLICANS, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!"
      - conductr 1y ago
        That's all happening too, but it's honestly a different topic altogether. We have the ability to vote early. Whether you trust it or politicians are trying to undermine your trust in it, etc.... whole other can of worms
        jfengel 1y ago
        Not everyone does. It varies from state to state. Red states in particular have little to no early voting.
  - tags2k 1y ago
    You have early voting, some choose not to trust the early voting system.
  - christkv 1y ago
    Voting machines slow down voting from what I understand
    - esseph 1y ago
- conductr 1y ago
  So, if you have a minor emergency, like a kidney stone and hospitalized for the day - you just miss your chance to vote in that election? If so, I see a lot to dislike. As the point I was making is you can’t anticipate what might come up. Just because it’s worked thus far doesn’t mean it’s designed for resilience. There’s a lot of ways you could miss out in that type of situation. I seems silly to make sure everything else is redundant and fault tolerant in the name of democracy when the democratic process itself isn’t doing the same.
  - Boltgolt 1y ago
    If hospitalized on that specific day: Sign the back of the voting card and give your ID to a family member, they can cast your vote
    - conductr 1y ago
      How is that an acceptable response? Honestly. You’re in the hospital, in pain, likely having a minor surgery, and having someone cast your vote for you is going to be on your mind too? Do you have your voting card in your pocket just in case this were to play out? That’s just ridiculous in my opinion. Makes me wonder how many well intentioned would be voters end up missing out each election cause shit happens and voting is pretty optional
      - gowld 1y ago
        What percent of the electorate is incapacitated on voting day? What is the that group's deviation from the general voting population's preferences? What are the margins of the votes on those ballot questions?
        conductr 1y ago
        Mild curiosity, no idea whether it would be statistically relevant but asking the question is the first step. If you knew the answer, you might want to extend the voting window even if it wouldn't effect an elections outcome it would be a quantified number of people excluded from the democratic process for simply having bad luck at the wrong time.
- Sleaker 1y ago
  Please lookup US voting poll overflow issues that come up every election cycle. Just because you experience a well streamlined process doesn't mean that it's the norm everywhere.
  - vanviegen 1y ago
    Oh, I know. I'm just saying it can be done properly on a single day. It is a pretty challenging and expensive logistical operation though.
  - yellow_postit 1y ago
    Don’t forget you can’t dare offer water or food to those stuck in lines else that’s considered tampering in many (all?) locales in the US. Mail in voting is just better all around for a geographically diverse place as the US and I wish would be adopted by all states.
    - wyre 1y ago
      Rule of thumb: if Republicans are against it, it’s probably a good thing for everyone else, like mail-in voting. So excited to see how the right-wing pedants here disagree with this.

DontBreakAlex 1y ago

In europe, voting typically happens in one day, where everyone physically goes to their designated voting place and puts papers in a transparent box. You can stay there and wait for the count at the end of the day if you want to. Tom Scott has a very good video about why we don't want electronic/mail voting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI

jampekka 1y ago
Many countries in Europe have advance voting.
- silversmith 1y ago
  Off the top of my head, I can't think of an EU country that does not have some form of advance voting. Here in Latvia the "election day" is usually (always?) on weekend, but the polling stations are open for some (and different!) part of every weekday leading up. Something like couple hours on monday morning, couple hours on tuesday evening, couple around midday wednesday, etc. In my opinion, it's a great system. You have to have a pretty convoluted schedule for at least one window not to line up for you.
  - ndom91 1y ago
    Germany has mail-in voting, not sure if that counts as advanced voting though
  - generalspecific 1y ago
    Ireland doesn't have it.
    - alborzb 1y ago
      That's not true (as somebody who had to do this last year in 2024 because I was traveling in another country for work on election day) Here is the form to register for postal voting in the Republic of Ireland - https://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/2024-01/pv4-work-study-jan-24.pdf https://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/2024-01/pv4-wo... Instructions on how to submit the form / register for mail-in votes is on page 4. Hope that helps anyone else out who needs in Ireland

mc32 1y ago

If India can have voters vote and tally all the votes in one day, then so can everyone else. It’s the best way to avoid fraud and people going with whoever is ahead. I am sympathetic with emergency protocols for deadly pandemics, but for all else, in-person on a given day.

20kleagues 1y ago
Voting in India is staggered over multiple phases over multiple days/weeks. Only the vote count happens on a single day at the end.
sampo 1y ago
> If India can have voters vote and tally all the votes in one day, then so can everyone else. In most countries, in the elections you vote or the member of parliament you want. Presidential elections, and city council elections are held separately, but are also equally simple. But in one election you cast your vote for one person, and that's it. With this kind of elections, many countries manage to hold the elections on paper ballots, count them all by hand, and publish results by midnight. But on an American ballot, you vote for, for example: - US president - US senator - US member of congress - state governor - state senator - state member of congress - several votes for several different state judge positions - several other state officer positions - several votes for several local county officers - local sheriff - local school board member - several yes/no votes for several proposed laws, whether they should be passed or not I don't think it would be possible to calculate all these 20 or 40 votes, if calculated by hand. That's why they use voting machines in America. https://ballotpedia.org/Official_sample_ballots,_2020 https://ballotpedia.org/Official_sample_ballots,_2020
- Freedom2 1y ago
  How is it not possible? It's just additional votes, there isn't anything actually stopping counting by hand, is there? How was it counted historically without voting machines?
  - 1y ago