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It still surprises me how much essential services like public transport are completely reliant on cloud providers, and don't seem to have backups in place. Her

It still surprises me how much essential services like public transport are completely reliant on cloud providers, and don't seem to have backups in place. Here in The Netherlands, almost all trains were first delayed significantly, and then cancelled for a few hours because of this, which had real impact because today is also the day we got to vote for the next parlement (I know some who can't get home in time before the polls close, and they left for work before they opened).

conductr 1y ago
Is voting there a one day only event? If not, I feel the solution to that particular problem is quite clear. There’s a million things that could go wrong causing you to miss something when you try to do it in a narrow time range (today after work before polls close) If it’s a multi day event, it’s probably that way for a reason. Partially the same as the solution to above.
- klardotsh 1y ago
  Washington State having full vote-by-mail (there is technically a layer of in-person voting as a fallback for those who need it for accessibility reasons or who missed the registration deadline) has spoiled me rotten, I couldn't imagine having to go back to synchronous on-site voting on a single day like I did in Illinois. Awful. Being able to fill my ballot at my leisure, at home, where I can have all the research material open, and drive it to a ballot drop box whenever is convenient in a 2-3 week window before 20:00 on election night, is a game-changer for democracy. Of course this also means that people who serve to benefit from disenfranchising voters and making it more difficult to vote, absolutely hate our system and continually attack it for one reason or another.
  - vanviegen 1y ago
    As a Dutchman, I have to go vote in person on a specific day. But to be honest: I really don't mind doing so. If you live in a town or city, there'll usually be multiple voting locations you can choose from within 10 minutes walking distance. I've never experienced waiting times more than a couple of minutes. Opening times are pretty good, from 7:30 til 21:00. The people there are friendly. What's not to like? (Except for some of the candidates maybe, but that's a whole different story. :-))
    - jfengel 1y ago
      In the US, hours-long lines are routine. Not everywhere, but poorer places tend to have fewer voting machines and longer lines. We've been closing a lot of polling places recently: https://abcnews.go.com/US/protecting-vote-1-5-election-day-polling-places/story?id=114990347 https://abcnews.go.com/US/protecting-vote-1-5-election-day-p...
      - conductr 1y ago
        We have early voting, nobody has to wait, they choose to wait
        iAMkenough 1y ago
        We're on year five of one of the two parties telling voters to not trust early voting. Their choice is because of the Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt created by the propaganda they are fed. Here's the President of the United States on Sunday: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115441871289276790 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1154418712892... "No mail-in or 'Early' Voting, Yes to Voter ID! Watch how totally dishonest the California Prop Vote is! Millions of Ballots being 'shipped.' GET SMART REPUBLICANS, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!"
        conductr 1y ago
        That's all happening too, but it's honestly a different topic altogether. We have the ability to vote early. Whether you trust it or politicians are trying to undermine your trust in it, etc.... whole other can of worms
        jfengel 1y ago
        Not everyone does. It varies from state to state. Red states in particular have little to no early voting.
      - tags2k 1y ago
        You have early voting, some choose not to trust the early voting system.
- DontBreakAlex 1y ago
  In europe, voting typically happens in one day, where everyone physically goes to their designated voting place and puts papers in a transparent box. You can stay there and wait for the count at the end of the day if you want to. Tom Scott has a very good video about why we don't want electronic/mail voting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI
  - jampekka 1y ago
    Many countries in Europe have advance voting.
    - silversmith 1y ago
      Off the top of my head, I can't think of an EU country that does not have some form of advance voting. Here in Latvia the "election day" is usually (always?) on weekend, but the polling stations are open for some (and different!) part of every weekday leading up. Something like couple hours on monday morning, couple hours on tuesday evening, couple around midday wednesday, etc. In my opinion, it's a great system. You have to have a pretty convoluted schedule for at least one window not to line up for you.
      - ndom91 1y ago
        Germany has mail-in voting, not sure if that counts as advanced voting though
      - generalspecific 1y ago
        Ireland doesn't have it.
        alborzb 1y ago
        That's not true (as somebody who had to do this last year in 2024 because I was traveling in another country for work on election day) Here is the form to register for postal voting in the Republic of Ireland - https://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/2024-01/pv4-work-study-jan-24.pdf https://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/2024-01/pv4-wo... Instructions on how to submit the form / register for mail-in votes is on page 4. Hope that helps anyone else out who needs in Ireland
- mc32 1y ago
  If India can have voters vote and tally all the votes in one day, then so can everyone else. It’s the best way to avoid fraud and people going with whoever is ahead. I am sympathetic with emergency protocols for deadly pandemics, but for all else, in-person on a given day.
  - 20kleagues 1y ago
    Voting in India is staggered over multiple phases over multiple days/weeks. Only the vote count happens on a single day at the end.
  - sampo 1y ago
    > If India can have voters vote and tally all the votes in one day, then so can everyone else. In most countries, in the elections you vote or the member of parliament you want. Presidential elections, and city council elections are held separately, but are also equally simple. But in one election you cast your vote for one person, and that's it. With this kind of elections, many countries manage to hold the elections on paper ballots, count them all by hand, and publish results by midnight. But on an American ballot, you vote for, for example: - US president - US senator - US member of congress - state governor - state senator - state member of congress - several votes for several different state judge positions - several other state officer positions - several votes for several local county officers - local sheriff - local school board member - several yes/no votes for several proposed laws, whether they should be passed or not I don't think it would be possible to calculate all these 20 or 40 votes, if calculated by hand. That's why they use voting machines in America. https://ballotpedia.org/Official_sample_ballots,_2020 https://ballotpedia.org/Official_sample_ballots,_2020
    - Freedom2 1y ago
      How is it not possible? It's just additional votes, there isn't anything actually stopping counting by hand, is there? How was it counted historically without voting machines?
      - 1y ago
barrenko 1y ago
> wouldn't put China or Russia above this
- gowld 1y ago
  Why would you put Microsoft above this?
  - barrenko 1y ago
    Nope :)
- platevoltage 1y ago
  I wouldn't put Texas above this either.
alt227 1y ago
Wow thats crazy! National transport infrastructure being so fragile. What a great age we live in.
- onionisafruit 1y ago
  It is a great age to live in where we have transportation infrastructure beyond foot paths.
  - dijit 1y ago
    yeah, those are the two options. and before the cloud there was no transportation possible except via foot. Horses were famously tamed in 2007 after AWS released S3 to the public, this is the best of times.
hinkley 1y ago
Voting days should be a national holiday.
- Archelaos 1y ago
  In Germany it is always a Sunday.
  - Hamuko 1y ago
    Same in Finland. And even if you work Sundays, there's a week's worth of early voting so you can take your pick.
- tmtvl 1y ago
  Here in Belgium voting is usually done during the weekend, although it shouldn't matter because voting is a civic duty (unless you have a good reason you have to go vote or you'll be fined), so those who work during the weekend have a valid reason to come in late or leave early.
  - brendoelfrendo 1y ago
    In the US, where I assume a lot of the griping comes from, election day is not a national holiday, nor is it on a weekend (in fact, by law it is defined as "the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November"), and even though it is acknowledged as an important civic duty, only about half of the states have laws on the books that require employers provide time off to vote. There are no federal laws to that effect, so it's left entirely to states to decide.
    - OhioMan2943 1y ago
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- hshdhdhehd 1y ago
  In Australia there are so many places to vote, it is almost popping out to get milk level if convenience. Just detour your dog walk slightly. Always at the weekend.
j45 1y ago
Organizations who had their own datacenters were chided for being resistant to modernizing, and now they modernized to use someone else's shared computers and they stopped working. I really do feel the only viable future for clouds is hybrid or agnostic clouds.
- esseph 1y ago
  Hybrid was always the way. Use different tools to solve different problems.
  - j45 1y ago
    Especially today with competing tools taking turns leading or new ones popping up.
tmtvl 1y ago
The Flemish bus company (de Lijn) uses Azure and I couldn't activate my ticket when I came home after training a couple of hours ago. I should probably start using physical tickets again, because at least those work properly. It's just stupid that there's so much stuff being moved to digital only (often even only being accessible through an Android or iOS app, despite the parent companies of those two being utterly atrocious) when the physical alternatives are more reliable.
stefs 1y ago
i'm not sure this is an easily solvable problem. i remember reading an article arguing that your cloud provider is part of your tech stack and it's close to impossible/a huge PITA to make a non-trivial service provider-agnostic. they'd have to run their own openstack in different datacenters, which would be costly and have their own points of failure.
- myself248 1y ago
  How ever did buses run before The Cloud™? What a weird world that must have been.
- dotancohen 1y ago
  I run non trivial services on EC2, using that service as a VPS. My deploy script works just as well on provisioned Digital Ocean services and on docker containers using docker-compose. I do need a human to provision a few servers and configure e.g. load balancing and when to spin up additional servers under load. But that is far less of a PITA than having my systems tied to a specific provider or down whenever a cloud precipitates.
  - baby_souffle 1y ago
    It's absolutely doable if you design for it. The moment you choose to use S3 instead of hosting your own object store, though, you either use AWS because S3 and IAM already have you or spend more time on the care and feeding of your storage system as opposed to actually doing the thing you customers are paying you to do. It's not impossible, just complicated and difficult for any moderately complex architecture.
    - Tostino 1y ago
      There are plenty of compatible S3-like offerings. That's one of the lesser things that tie me to a cloud.
      - dotancohen 1y ago
bironran 1y ago
Yet... deploy on two clouds and you'll get tax payers scream at you for "wasting money" preparing for a black swan event. Can't have both, either reliability or lower cost.
alliao 1y ago
dang even zealand didn't survive! new zealand got some soul searching with this outage which took down government person ID service, it's called RealME and it can be used to file your taxes apply for passport etc
fHr 1y ago
can't believe it's 2025 and some still need to go to some place to vote. I can vote since I can remember(at least 20 years) by mail for anything, we also vote multiple times a year(4-6 times), we just get 1 Month before the things to vote by mail and then mail in back votes. Hope we can soon vote online to get rid of the paper overhead.
- qrios 1y ago
  Is that you? The same guy with the comment "hahahhahaha"[1] on "Women dating safety app 'Tea' breached, users' IDs posted to 4chan"[2]? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44689366 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44689366 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44684373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44684373
- vanviegen 1y ago
  When voting remotely, how can we be sure that your vote was not bought or coerced?
varispeed 1y ago
Wasn't cloud sold based on a premise to prevent the very thing that is happening? Sounds like a massive fail of the whole concept.
bethekidyouwant 1y ago
You are not getting more 9’s rolling your own
- vachina 1y ago
  At least I get to control when the 0.01 happens.
  - fylo 1y ago
    How?
  - isbvhodnvemrwvn 1y ago
    No you don't, lol.
- bombcar 1y ago
  You can get way more 9s if you roll your own procedures - and each step has a way of handling failure of the other steps. Old trains had paper tickets, the locomotive was its own power source, the conductor had a flashlight, and the conductor could sell tickets for cash. And if everything else failed, the conductor would just let you ride for free. Now everything's so interconnected that any one part failing brings everything to a halt.
Mr_Minderbinder 1y ago
Finance is increasingly reliant on it too, my bank moved their entire system to AWS. The amount of power being handed over to these cloud companies in exchange for “convenience” is astonishing.
tuukkah 1y ago
Could you provide a reference about the train disruption? I tried but couldn't find anything in English.
- foresterre 1y ago
  Here is an article in English: https://nltimes.nl/2025/10/29/ns-hit-microsoft-cloud-outage-travel-planner-ticket-machines-affected https://nltimes.nl/2025/10/29/ns-hit-microsoft-cloud-outage-... It should be noted that the article isn't complete: while the travel planner and ticket machines were the first to fail, trains were cancelled soon after; it took a few hours before everything restarted. Based on what the conductors said, I would speculate that the train drivers digital schedule was not operative, so they didn't know where to go next.
  - tuukkah 1y ago
    Thanks! Perhaps one of the sites that track train delays can give a statistic? This list doesn't have anything that looks relevant: https://www.rijdendetreinen.nl/en/disruptions/archive?date_before=29-10-2025&date_after=29-10-2025 https://www.rijdendetreinen.nl/en/disruptions/archive?date_b... The day does not appear as an outlier in the monthly statistics: https://www.rijdendetreinen.nl/en/statistics/2025/10 https://www.rijdendetreinen.nl/en/statistics/2025/10 I don't find a detailed statistic on the overall delays, but the per-station statistics for Amsterdam Centraal say 5% of trains were cancelled and 17% were delayed by 5 minutes or more (mostly by 10 minutes): https://www.rijdendetreinen.nl/en/train-archive/2025-10-29/amsterdam-centraal https://www.rijdendetreinen.nl/en/train-archive/2025-10-29/a...

conductr 1y ago

Is voting there a one day only event? If not, I feel the solution to that particular problem is quite clear. There’s a million things that could go wrong causing you to miss something when you try to do it in a narrow time range (today after work before polls close) If it’s a multi day event, it’s probably that way for a reason. Partially the same as the solution to above.

klardotsh 1y ago
Washington State having full vote-by-mail (there is technically a layer of in-person voting as a fallback for those who need it for accessibility reasons or who missed the registration deadline) has spoiled me rotten, I couldn't imagine having to go back to synchronous on-site voting on a single day like I did in Illinois. Awful. Being able to fill my ballot at my leisure, at home, where I can have all the research material open, and drive it to a ballot drop box whenever is convenient in a 2-3 week window before 20:00 on election night, is a game-changer for democracy. Of course this also means that people who serve to benefit from disenfranchising voters and making it more difficult to vote, absolutely hate our system and continually attack it for one reason or another.
- vanviegen 1y ago
  As a Dutchman, I have to go vote in person on a specific day. But to be honest: I really don't mind doing so. If you live in a town or city, there'll usually be multiple voting locations you can choose from within 10 minutes walking distance. I've never experienced waiting times more than a couple of minutes. Opening times are pretty good, from 7:30 til 21:00. The people there are friendly. What's not to like? (Except for some of the candidates maybe, but that's a whole different story. :-))
  - jfengel 1y ago
    In the US, hours-long lines are routine. Not everywhere, but poorer places tend to have fewer voting machines and longer lines. We've been closing a lot of polling places recently: https://abcnews.go.com/US/protecting-vote-1-5-election-day-polling-places/story?id=114990347 https://abcnews.go.com/US/protecting-vote-1-5-election-day-p...
    - conductr 1y ago
      We have early voting, nobody has to wait, they choose to wait
      - iAMkenough 1y ago
        We're on year five of one of the two parties telling voters to not trust early voting. Their choice is because of the Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt created by the propaganda they are fed. Here's the President of the United States on Sunday: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115441871289276790 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1154418712892... "No mail-in or 'Early' Voting, Yes to Voter ID! Watch how totally dishonest the California Prop Vote is! Millions of Ballots being 'shipped.' GET SMART REPUBLICANS, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!"
        conductr 1y ago
        That's all happening too, but it's honestly a different topic altogether. We have the ability to vote early. Whether you trust it or politicians are trying to undermine your trust in it, etc.... whole other can of worms
        jfengel 1y ago
        Not everyone does. It varies from state to state. Red states in particular have little to no early voting.
    - tags2k 1y ago
      You have early voting, some choose not to trust the early voting system.
DontBreakAlex 1y ago
In europe, voting typically happens in one day, where everyone physically goes to their designated voting place and puts papers in a transparent box. You can stay there and wait for the count at the end of the day if you want to. Tom Scott has a very good video about why we don't want electronic/mail voting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI
- jampekka 1y ago
  Many countries in Europe have advance voting.
  - silversmith 1y ago
    Off the top of my head, I can't think of an EU country that does not have some form of advance voting. Here in Latvia the "election day" is usually (always?) on weekend, but the polling stations are open for some (and different!) part of every weekday leading up. Something like couple hours on monday morning, couple hours on tuesday evening, couple around midday wednesday, etc. In my opinion, it's a great system. You have to have a pretty convoluted schedule for at least one window not to line up for you.
    - ndom91 1y ago
      Germany has mail-in voting, not sure if that counts as advanced voting though
    - generalspecific 1y ago
      Ireland doesn't have it.
      - alborzb 1y ago
        That's not true (as somebody who had to do this last year in 2024 because I was traveling in another country for work on election day) Here is the form to register for postal voting in the Republic of Ireland - https://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/2024-01/pv4-work-study-jan-24.pdf https://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/2024-01/pv4-wo... Instructions on how to submit the form / register for mail-in votes is on page 4. Hope that helps anyone else out who needs in Ireland
mc32 1y ago
If India can have voters vote and tally all the votes in one day, then so can everyone else. It’s the best way to avoid fraud and people going with whoever is ahead. I am sympathetic with emergency protocols for deadly pandemics, but for all else, in-person on a given day.
- 20kleagues 1y ago
  Voting in India is staggered over multiple phases over multiple days/weeks. Only the vote count happens on a single day at the end.
- sampo 1y ago
  > If India can have voters vote and tally all the votes in one day, then so can everyone else. In most countries, in the elections you vote or the member of parliament you want. Presidential elections, and city council elections are held separately, but are also equally simple. But in one election you cast your vote for one person, and that's it. With this kind of elections, many countries manage to hold the elections on paper ballots, count them all by hand, and publish results by midnight. But on an American ballot, you vote for, for example: - US president - US senator - US member of congress - state governor - state senator - state member of congress - several votes for several different state judge positions - several other state officer positions - several votes for several local county officers - local sheriff - local school board member - several yes/no votes for several proposed laws, whether they should be passed or not I don't think it would be possible to calculate all these 20 or 40 votes, if calculated by hand. That's why they use voting machines in America. https://ballotpedia.org/Official_sample_ballots,_2020 https://ballotpedia.org/Official_sample_ballots,_2020
  - Freedom2 1y ago
    How is it not possible? It's just additional votes, there isn't anything actually stopping counting by hand, is there? How was it counted historically without voting machines?
    - 1y ago

barrenko 1y ago

> wouldn't put China or Russia above this

gowld 1y ago
Why would you put Microsoft above this?
- barrenko 1y ago
  Nope :)
platevoltage 1y ago
I wouldn't put Texas above this either.

alt227 1y ago

Wow thats crazy! National transport infrastructure being so fragile. What a great age we live in.

onionisafruit 1y ago
It is a great age to live in where we have transportation infrastructure beyond foot paths.
- dijit 1y ago
  yeah, those are the two options. and before the cloud there was no transportation possible except via foot. Horses were famously tamed in 2007 after AWS released S3 to the public, this is the best of times.

hinkley 1y ago

Voting days should be a national holiday.

Archelaos 1y ago
In Germany it is always a Sunday.
- Hamuko 1y ago
  Same in Finland. And even if you work Sundays, there's a week's worth of early voting so you can take your pick.
tmtvl 1y ago
Here in Belgium voting is usually done during the weekend, although it shouldn't matter because voting is a civic duty (unless you have a good reason you have to go vote or you'll be fined), so those who work during the weekend have a valid reason to come in late or leave early.
- brendoelfrendo 1y ago
  In the US, where I assume a lot of the griping comes from, election day is not a national holiday, nor is it on a weekend (in fact, by law it is defined as "the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November"), and even though it is acknowledged as an important civic duty, only about half of the states have laws on the books that require employers provide time off to vote. There are no federal laws to that effect, so it's left entirely to states to decide.
  - OhioMan2943 1y ago
    [flagged]
hshdhdhehd 1y ago
In Australia there are so many places to vote, it is almost popping out to get milk level if convenience. Just detour your dog walk slightly. Always at the weekend.

j45 1y ago

Organizations who had their own datacenters were chided for being resistant to modernizing, and now they modernized to use someone else's shared computers and they stopped working. I really do feel the only viable future for clouds is hybrid or agnostic clouds.

esseph 1y ago
Hybrid was always the way. Use different tools to solve different problems.
- j45 1y ago
  Especially today with competing tools taking turns leading or new ones popping up.

tmtvl 1y ago

The Flemish bus company (de Lijn) uses Azure and I couldn't activate my ticket when I came home after training a couple of hours ago. I should probably start using physical tickets again, because at least those work properly. It's just stupid that there's so much stuff being moved to digital only (often even only being accessible through an Android or iOS app, despite the parent companies of those two being utterly atrocious) when the physical alternatives are more reliable.

stefs 1y ago

i'm not sure this is an easily solvable problem. i remember reading an article arguing that your cloud provider is part of your tech stack and it's close to impossible/a huge PITA to make a non-trivial service provider-agnostic. they'd have to run their own openstack in different datacenters, which would be costly and have their own points of failure.

myself248 1y ago
How ever did buses run before The Cloud™? What a weird world that must have been.
dotancohen 1y ago
I run non trivial services on EC2, using that service as a VPS. My deploy script works just as well on provisioned Digital Ocean services and on docker containers using docker-compose. I do need a human to provision a few servers and configure e.g. load balancing and when to spin up additional servers under load. But that is far less of a PITA than having my systems tied to a specific provider or down whenever a cloud precipitates.
- baby_souffle 1y ago
  It's absolutely doable if you design for it. The moment you choose to use S3 instead of hosting your own object store, though, you either use AWS because S3 and IAM already have you or spend more time on the care and feeding of your storage system as opposed to actually doing the thing you customers are paying you to do. It's not impossible, just complicated and difficult for any moderately complex architecture.
  - Tostino 1y ago
    There are plenty of compatible S3-like offerings. That's one of the lesser things that tie me to a cloud.
    - dotancohen 1y ago

bironran 1y ago

Yet... deploy on two clouds and you'll get tax payers scream at you for "wasting money" preparing for a black swan event. Can't have both, either reliability or lower cost.

alliao 1y ago

dang even zealand didn't survive! new zealand got some soul searching with this outage which took down government person ID service, it's called RealME and it can be used to file your taxes apply for passport etc

fHr 1y ago

can't believe it's 2025 and some still need to go to some place to vote. I can vote since I can remember(at least 20 years) by mail for anything, we also vote multiple times a year(4-6 times), we just get 1 Month before the things to vote by mail and then mail in back votes. Hope we can soon vote online to get rid of the paper overhead.

qrios 1y ago
Is that you? The same guy with the comment "hahahhahaha"[1] on "Women dating safety app 'Tea' breached, users' IDs posted to 4chan"[2]? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44689366 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44689366 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44684373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44684373
vanviegen 1y ago
When voting remotely, how can we be sure that your vote was not bought or coerced?

varispeed 1y ago

Wasn't cloud sold based on a premise to prevent the very thing that is happening? Sounds like a massive fail of the whole concept.

bethekidyouwant 1y ago

You are not getting more 9’s rolling your own

vachina 1y ago
At least I get to control when the 0.01 happens.
- fylo 1y ago
  How?
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 1y ago
  No you don't, lol.
bombcar 1y ago
You can get way more 9s if you roll your own procedures - and each step has a way of handling failure of the other steps. Old trains had paper tickets, the locomotive was its own power source, the conductor had a flashlight, and the conductor could sell tickets for cash. And if everything else failed, the conductor would just let you ride for free. Now everything's so interconnected that any one part failing brings everything to a halt.

Mr_Minderbinder 1y ago

Finance is increasingly reliant on it too, my bank moved their entire system to AWS. The amount of power being handed over to these cloud companies in exchange for “convenience” is astonishing.

tuukkah 1y ago

Could you provide a reference about the train disruption? I tried but couldn't find anything in English.

foresterre 1y ago
Here is an article in English: https://nltimes.nl/2025/10/29/ns-hit-microsoft-cloud-outage-travel-planner-ticket-machines-affected https://nltimes.nl/2025/10/29/ns-hit-microsoft-cloud-outage-... It should be noted that the article isn't complete: while the travel planner and ticket machines were the first to fail, trains were cancelled soon after; it took a few hours before everything restarted. Based on what the conductors said, I would speculate that the train drivers digital schedule was not operative, so they didn't know where to go next.
- tuukkah 1y ago
  Thanks! Perhaps one of the sites that track train delays can give a statistic? This list doesn't have anything that looks relevant: https://www.rijdendetreinen.nl/en/disruptions/archive?date_before=29-10-2025&date_after=29-10-2025 https://www.rijdendetreinen.nl/en/disruptions/archive?date_b... The day does not appear as an outlier in the monthly statistics: https://www.rijdendetreinen.nl/en/statistics/2025/10 https://www.rijdendetreinen.nl/en/statistics/2025/10 I don't find a detailed statistic on the overall delays, but the per-station statistics for Amsterdam Centraal say 5% of trains were cancelled and 17% were delayed by 5 minutes or more (mostly by 10 minutes): https://www.rijdendetreinen.nl/en/train-archive/2025-10-29/amsterdam-centraal https://www.rijdendetreinen.nl/en/train-archive/2025-10-29/a...