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Immigration is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.

by nyargh 11mo ago

galagawinkle489 11mo ago
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- nyargh 11mo ago
  It is not a lie, immigration, is primarily a civil issue with civil enforcement. You don't get a lawyer, you don't get your case heard in Title III courts. There are a few things that are capital C crimes related to immigration, but the bulk of the current enforcement is related it civil immigration matters.
  - galagawinkle489 11mo ago
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    - nyargh 11mo ago
      75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions, per their own stats. This isn't goalpost shifting. Immigration is a civil issue in the US, full stop. Immigration courts are administrative courts, not Title III criminal courts. You are obviously a brand new bot account so I will mute you and move on.
      - galagawinkle489 11mo ago
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zahlman 11mo ago
https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-en... disagrees.
- nyargh 11mo ago
  In those cases yes, but ICE is disappearing people who have entered legally and are awaiting a CIVIL immigration hearing on status changes, etc. The cases you reference are a small minority of those being detained and deported.
  - zahlman 11mo ago
    Can you evidence any of that?
    - nyargh 11mo ago
      75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions per ICEs own stats, however they conflate "immigration offenses" like filing errors with illegal entry so its impossible to tell from their own statistics to answer your question. I might also add that, like it or not, asylum claims are a positive defense to illegal entry under US law and you can ONLY claim asylum upon US soil. ICE has extreme arrest quotas now and are routinely exceeding their authority and violating the due process rights of of immigrants in thr US to meet those quotas.
      - zahlman 11mo ago
        > 75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions 1. Can you cite this? 2. I assume you mean, for things other than the putative illegal entry itself. Of course, that would still have to be proven, but it is still potentially a criminal matter. Fining people who are legally not entitled to be in the country, does not remedy the fact of them being in the country without legal entitlement. > however they conflate "immigration offenses" like filing errors with illegal entry How is this a conflation? > I work in immigration law and can tell you that nearly all of the people we represent The selection bias is clear; they're hiring legal representation because they have a case (and because they can afford to). > ICE has extreme arrest quotas Can you evidence this? > violating the due process rights of of immigrants in thr US What exactly do you consider that these rights consist of, and how are they being violated? Can you evidence this?

Immigration is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.

by nyargh 11mo ago

Immigration is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.

galagawinkle489 11mo ago

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nyargh 11mo ago
It is not a lie, immigration, is primarily a civil issue with civil enforcement. You don't get a lawyer, you don't get your case heard in Title III courts. There are a few things that are capital C crimes related to immigration, but the bulk of the current enforcement is related it civil immigration matters.
- galagawinkle489 11mo ago
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  - nyargh 11mo ago
    75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions, per their own stats. This isn't goalpost shifting. Immigration is a civil issue in the US, full stop. Immigration courts are administrative courts, not Title III criminal courts. You are obviously a brand new bot account so I will mute you and move on.
    - galagawinkle489 11mo ago
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zahlman 11mo ago

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-en... disagrees.

nyargh 11mo ago
In those cases yes, but ICE is disappearing people who have entered legally and are awaiting a CIVIL immigration hearing on status changes, etc. The cases you reference are a small minority of those being detained and deported.
- zahlman 11mo ago
  Can you evidence any of that?
  - nyargh 11mo ago
    75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions per ICEs own stats, however they conflate "immigration offenses" like filing errors with illegal entry so its impossible to tell from their own statistics to answer your question. I might also add that, like it or not, asylum claims are a positive defense to illegal entry under US law and you can ONLY claim asylum upon US soil. ICE has extreme arrest quotas now and are routinely exceeding their authority and violating the due process rights of of immigrants in thr US to meet those quotas.
    - zahlman 11mo ago
      > 75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions 1. Can you cite this? 2. I assume you mean, for things other than the putative illegal entry itself. Of course, that would still have to be proven, but it is still potentially a criminal matter. Fining people who are legally not entitled to be in the country, does not remedy the fact of them being in the country without legal entitlement. > however they conflate "immigration offenses" like filing errors with illegal entry How is this a conflation? > I work in immigration law and can tell you that nearly all of the people we represent The selection bias is clear; they're hiring legal representation because they have a case (and because they can afford to). > ICE has extreme arrest quotas Can you evidence this? > violating the due process rights of of immigrants in thr US What exactly do you consider that these rights consist of, and how are they being violated? Can you evidence this?