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What's ironic about it? That's like saying it's ironic for soldiers to fire their guns while in a trench. They're doing things unto others that they would not

by kragen 1y ago

What's ironic about it? That's like saying it's ironic for soldiers to fire their guns while in a trench. They're doing things unto others that they would not have done unto them.

ASalazarMX 1y ago
Except law is not a battle field, otherwise lawyers would decide the victors, or guns the outcomes of trials. Law is supposed to strive for justice, war is as lawless as it can get away with.
- kragen 1y ago
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  - peterfirefly 1y ago
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    - nobody9999 1y ago
      > But they are trying very hard to not throw all brown people with an accent into detention centers Are you sure about that? There's quite a bit of evidence to the contrary, starting with the really high false-positive[0][1[[2][3][4][5] rates of facial recognition, especially among people of color. In fact, as the studies linked below show, people of color are misidentified (i.e., false positive) more than 1/3 of the time. That's not nearly accurate enough to round folks up if 10 of every 30 arrested, detained and potentially deported actually aren't the folks you're looking for. What could possibly go wrong? [0] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/police-facial-recognition-technology-cant-tell-black-people-apart/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/police-facial-rec... [1] https://www.aclu-mn.org/en/news/biased-technology-automated-discrimination-facial-recognition https://www.aclu-mn.org/en/news/biased-technology-automated-... [2] https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/facial-recognition-race-1.5403899 https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/facial-recognition-race-1.54... [3] https://jusmedia.co.uk/riotandreason/2025/06/02/face-the-bias-how-facial-recognition-fails-people-of-colour/ https://jusmedia.co.uk/riotandreason/2025/06/02/face-the-bia... [4] https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2019/12/nist-study-evaluates-effects-race-age-sex-face-recognition-software https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2019/12/nist-study-eva... [5] https://civilrights.org/edfund/2024/09/25/advocates-ring-alarm-on-civil-rights-abuses-of-facial-recognition-technology-in-policing/# https://civilrights.org/edfund/2024/09/25/advocates-ring-ala...
    - kragen 1y ago
      Joe and Erich loved brown people. But, yes, targeting is a huge amplifier of the coercive force of violence.
- throwaway48476 1y ago
  In this case, ICE officer's are being shot at.
  - deleted 1y ago
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sigwinch 1y ago
It’s ironic that it’s brave to uncover your face, it’s brave to verify your identity, but these officers’ policy actively avoids the brave choice. Then, we’re supposed to accept that they’re operating in war zones like Portland.
troyvit 1y ago
> That's like saying it's ironic for soldiers to fire their guns while in a trench. ICE using military tactics (be it trenches or masks) is the real problem here. ICE aren't soldiers, they're a part of law enforcement. Unfortunately in the U.S. today we not only do use troops for law enforcement, but we're using law enforcement as troops. Neither is the correct role for those services.
- kragen 1y ago
  Yes, it's a big problem, and what you're seeing is only the beginning.
- tracker1 1y ago
  Fortunately, the National Guard members have better training than most law enforcement on how to properly interact with civilians (the public).
  - kragen 1y ago
    They're trained how to kill them, and not to do so without orders.
    - tracker1 1y ago
      That's one of the more ignorant things I've ever heard. National guard has duties that go way beyond warfare...
- tremon 1y ago
  Please stop calling ICE law enforcement, that just gives gives them a veneer of legitimacy. What they enforce is not law, it's the whims of a despot.
  - kragen 1y ago
    The US does in fact have customs and immigration laws; are you claiming that those laws were not properly passed, under some kind of anarchist or Sovereign Citizen kind of theory? Or that the State has not charged ICE with enforcement of them?

by kragen 1y ago

What's ironic about it? That's like saying it's ironic for soldiers to fire their guns while in a trench. They're doing things unto others that they would not have done unto them.

ASalazarMX 1y ago

Except law is not a battle field, otherwise lawyers would decide the victors, or guns the outcomes of trials. Law is supposed to strive for justice, war is as lawless as it can get away with.

kragen 1y ago
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- peterfirefly 1y ago
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  - nobody9999 1y ago
    > But they are trying very hard to not throw all brown people with an accent into detention centers Are you sure about that? There's quite a bit of evidence to the contrary, starting with the really high false-positive[0][1[[2][3][4][5] rates of facial recognition, especially among people of color. In fact, as the studies linked below show, people of color are misidentified (i.e., false positive) more than 1/3 of the time. That's not nearly accurate enough to round folks up if 10 of every 30 arrested, detained and potentially deported actually aren't the folks you're looking for. What could possibly go wrong? [0] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/police-facial-recognition-technology-cant-tell-black-people-apart/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/police-facial-rec... [1] https://www.aclu-mn.org/en/news/biased-technology-automated-discrimination-facial-recognition https://www.aclu-mn.org/en/news/biased-technology-automated-... [2] https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/facial-recognition-race-1.5403899 https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/facial-recognition-race-1.54... [3] https://jusmedia.co.uk/riotandreason/2025/06/02/face-the-bias-how-facial-recognition-fails-people-of-colour/ https://jusmedia.co.uk/riotandreason/2025/06/02/face-the-bia... [4] https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2019/12/nist-study-evaluates-effects-race-age-sex-face-recognition-software https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2019/12/nist-study-eva... [5] https://civilrights.org/edfund/2024/09/25/advocates-ring-alarm-on-civil-rights-abuses-of-facial-recognition-technology-in-policing/# https://civilrights.org/edfund/2024/09/25/advocates-ring-ala...
  - kragen 1y ago
    Joe and Erich loved brown people. But, yes, targeting is a huge amplifier of the coercive force of violence.
throwaway48476 1y ago
In this case, ICE officer's are being shot at.
- deleted 1y ago
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sigwinch 1y ago

It’s ironic that it’s brave to uncover your face, it’s brave to verify your identity, but these officers’ policy actively avoids the brave choice. Then, we’re supposed to accept that they’re operating in war zones like Portland.

troyvit 1y ago

> That's like saying it's ironic for soldiers to fire their guns while in a trench. ICE using military tactics (be it trenches or masks) is the real problem here. ICE aren't soldiers, they're a part of law enforcement. Unfortunately in the U.S. today we not only do use troops for law enforcement, but we're using law enforcement as troops. Neither is the correct role for those services.

kragen 1y ago
Yes, it's a big problem, and what you're seeing is only the beginning.
tracker1 1y ago
Fortunately, the National Guard members have better training than most law enforcement on how to properly interact with civilians (the public).
- kragen 1y ago
  They're trained how to kill them, and not to do so without orders.
  - tracker1 1y ago
    That's one of the more ignorant things I've ever heard. National guard has duties that go way beyond warfare...
tremon 1y ago
Please stop calling ICE law enforcement, that just gives gives them a veneer of legitimacy. What they enforce is not law, it's the whims of a despot.
- kragen 1y ago
  The US does in fact have customs and immigration laws; are you claiming that those laws were not properly passed, under some kind of anarchist or Sovereign Citizen kind of theory? Or that the State has not charged ICE with enforcement of them?