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Don’t fall for the lie that this is at all about illegal immigration- that is just an excuse for what has become state sponsored KKK style racial terrorism oper

• mothballed 1y ago
  Always has been. Biden's CBP goons stripped me naked, imprisoned me, ran up an ER bill for which I'm still being chased for by debt collectors, and tranported me by prisoner van all over the state, while they were enforcing Biden's (and now continue with Trump) insane war on drugs. I did not have drugs, I am not involved with drugs. Of course nothing was found, and the allegation was hearsay by an HSI detective that some unnamed dog alerted to an unnamed officer, neither of which I have any idea what they were even referencing.
  • buellerbueller 1y ago
    Scale matters. Once is a bad actor; this is a bad executive branch, with seriously bad supporting turns by the highest court and congress.
    • jshier 1y ago
      Yes, ICE has been a bad actor since the day it was created, which is why "shutdown ICE" has been a thing on the left for a while now. But it's now operating as the private military of Donald Trump and the executive branch on a scale never before seen in America. Its upcoming budget is greater than every other federal law enforcement agency combined. We see videos every day of their gleeful assaults on anyone they like, while their leadership has explicitly stated there will be no repercussions, and that they should be as abusive as they want.
      • layer8 1y ago
        In a way, the 9/11 terrorists have brought much more damage to the USA than they could have ever hoped for.
        • mindslight 1y ago
          I wasn't aware that Trump coordinated 9/11 with Bin Laden (through the Saudis?), but at this point it wouldn't really surprise me. (tongue in cheek, of course) But please let's stop framing recent developments as if they are merely continuations of existing trends. The surveillance state and federal "law" enforcement were definitely out of control well before Trump, and both authoritarian parties share responsibility for that. But it hadn't been being used to launch a frontal assault on domestic civil society. Responsibility for that rests solely on Trump (and his enablers/supporters).
        • JuniperMesos 1y ago
          What do the 9/11 terrorists have to do with the US federal government using federal police to enforce immigration law largely against illegal immigrants from Latin America, decades later? Osama bin Laden had a fairly specific immediate poltical goal, resisting US military influence in Muslim countries and US support of Israel. His broader goals involved revolutionary Islamic fundamentalism in the Muslim countries of the middle east. None of this was related to Latin American immigration to the US, legal or otherwise.
          • dragonwriter 1y ago
            > What do the 9/11 terrorists have to do with the US federal government using federal police to enforce immigration law largely against illegal immigrants from Latin America, decades later? The centralized security apparatus in the Department of Homeland Security being leverage here exists entirely as a result of the reaction to 9/11.
            • ModernMech 1y ago
              No, 9/11 did nothing more than give Americans permission to fully activate our latent racism, nationalism, xenophobia, and bigotry, which existed long before 9/11. The problem with America is we are racist to our core, and we'll do absolutely everything and anything to prove it to the world time and time again.
• 0xy 1y ago
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  • oceansky 1y ago
    It's almost as if deportation of illegal immigrants is not the issue. But current ICE methodologies and disregard for laws are.
    • ASalazarMX 1y ago
      Parent comment flagged and removed, but it was basically "Why didn't you complain in the past?". This is a known tactic of propagandists, implying that you have no right to complain if you didn't complain in the past. Anyone using this method is immediately suspect of not seeking honest discussion. Also, it doesn't work outside of a few social networks, stop trying it everywhere.
  • _yb2s 1y ago
    Actually I was very active in criticizing both the Obama and Biden administrations, attending town halls, etc. to criticize their blaming of problems on immigrants. However what they were doing was literally enforcing the immigration laws as they were. That should not in any way be confused with the brutality, cruelty, sadism, criminality, and scale of what is happening now- which has nothing to do with immigration, which was the point of my comment.
• xeonmc 1y ago
  This reality feels like someone had their monkey paw wish granted. “I wish I could play Wolfenstein in real life.”
  • mindslight 1y ago
    In Wolfenstein, the main character shot Nazi soldiers. It was made back when we had shared societal values like fascism is bad. Today, such a game would be called a product of tHe rAdIcAl lEfT.
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    • snypher 1y ago
      Unironic antifi training material.
    • slavak 1y ago
      This has unironically already happened. https://www.mic.com/articles/185045/wolfenstein-ii-nazi-killing-backlash-reddit-twitter-kotakuinaction https://www.mic.com/articles/185045/wolfenstein-ii-nazi-kill...
      • _yb2s 1y ago
        holy crap, that is hilarious
  • cindyllm 1y ago
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• FireBeyond 1y ago
  Very much so. There's multiple videos of them standing in Walmart parking lots and as shoppers walk out with their carts, anyone vaguely Hispanic is being questioned. "Where were you born? Are you American?" Probable cause is out the window. This is, firsthand, Steven Millers White America policy starting to take effect.
  • _yb2s 1y ago
    I expected a lot more pushback on here for calling this out as terrorism than I got… I took a several month hiatus from this site and before I left it was all “you’re just being hyperbolic, Trump is just going to enforce the immigration laws exactly as written.” It seems that nearly all of those people have rethought their opinions in light of recent events- which I guess/hope bodes well for the chances of our country coming together in a unified way to stand against this.
    • array_key_first 1y ago
      The unfortunate reality is that lots of those people were agents of propaganda, such as Russian bots. The goal was to get the authoritarian elected and the ball rolling - so they're all gone now.
      • _yb2s 1y ago
        Seems very plausible but how can we be sure of that? There definitely were two groups, one had thoughtful counterpoints, and also histories of insightful comments on other topics, and could usually be persuaded eventually with some extended discussion. The other group had usually no post history and literally just posted things like “cry harder libtard.” The latter were probably just bots/scripts but I’ve often thought it hilarious to wonder what their lives are like if they were real people that spent their day responding “cry harder” to genuine concerns over human rights violations and atrocities. Do their partners and family know about it? Do they have some sort of personal narrative that makes them a hero for being like that? Is that just how they relax and blow off steam after, what I can only assume was a long hard day of strangling hookers and shooting puppies?
• tootie 1y ago
  It is absolutely insane that the party who tried on the Libertarian mask less than 20 years ago and rode high on a wave of "don't tread on me" individual liberty is now suddenly ok with masked thugs scanning everyone's faces for their master database of enemies of the state.
  • willis936 1y ago
    It makes more sense when you frame it as "party of shameless self interest and racial stratification acts in shameless self interest while racially stratifying". You can draw a straight line back to even before the US civil war of the anti-federalists using their station to undermine the republic and liberties it stands for.
    • pohl 1y ago
      Nicely said. That’s right up there with Wilhoit’s Law for being a clarifying perspective.
    • parineum 1y ago
      Frankly, I don't think this is a party thing. Our elected officials are mostly party line. There are a few who have actual ideals that they adhere to but the rest of them are weather vanes. You basically have to be a party loyalist to get campaign funds so, unless you can self fund, you gotta toe the line.
      • willis936 1y ago
        Party probably wasn't the best word to use there. I didn't mean it as in the discrete political entity, but more of the amorphous group. The color of the hat doesn't matter as much as what they believe in.
        • parineum 1y ago
          > The color of the hat doesn't matter as much as what they believe in. I agree but the argument I'm making is that the "what they believe in" part is usually, "I should be re-elected". There are very few elected officials that I believe would choose to not be re-elected rather than change their touted core beliefs.
• calvinmorrison 1y ago
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• pohl 1y ago
  I stopped hearing claims that it was about illegal immigration almost instantly after the debate where he claimed “they’re eating the dogs, they’re eating the cats, they’re eating the pets of the people that live there.” It was eerie.
  • _yb2s 1y ago
    That dehumanizing rhetoric is so weird and surreal, it boggles my mind that it seems to actually work... there was a horrific video on Facebook of the Wilder raid in Idaho, and many people were basically commenting things like "this isn't great, but it's really our only choice because these people are killing so many of us." We're talking just a regular peaceful small farming town where people were out watching a horse race with their families- people that were mostly US citizens of Hispanic descent. Obviously none of them are killing anyone, it's completely absurd.
• pessimizer 1y ago
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  • mrbombastic 1y ago
    “How exactly can they do it if every Democratic-run state and city refuses to comply? How can the democratic will of citizens be carried out?” If a candidate makes campaign promises that do not work in the framework of our constitution or civil rights that is the candidates problem to figure out, you don’t get to throw away those things because your side won and they make your job hard, that is not how this is supposed to work.
  • _yb2s 1y ago
    What I wrote isn’t about democrats vs republicans- it’s about calling out terrorism from white supremacists for what it is- the fact that plenty of democrats are also extremely racist does not change what is actually happening here. They are not selective in only targeting black people- they have expanded that to include middle eastern, hispanic, and LGTBQ people simply because more of them are now visible in this country, with no reduction in their hatred and targeting of black people. We’re talking about the same groups of people doing the same things, now with a BUFF and a tactical vest instead of a white hood. Trump was raised in a KKK household, his dad was arrested at a KKK rally, and both he and his dad were sued and lost for racial discrimination in housing against black people and then ignored the rulings and continued the discrimination. He launched his political career by stoking hatred for a black president. His core supporters are a group of people that never accepted that they lost the civil war, and have been able to continually derail the reconstruction and the civil rights movement to this day. They are putting back up confederate pro slavery statues, and flying confederate flags. The KKK itself is mostly organizationally defunct, but these people are not simply “like the KKK,” they are literally the same people. However, for the first time in US history, they now have essentially complete control over the federal government.