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Socialism "might" always work in an immaginary world that does not take into account the reality of the human condition. One of the many flaws of such immagina

Socialism "might" always work in an immaginary world that does not take into account the reality of the human condition. One of the many flaws of such immaginary worlds is thinking that people will be content to live in a system where they have no creative outlet left and nothing they do will have any ultimate meaning. People in those conditions might burn down the system for the mere excitement of novelty. Even experimental rat utopias quickly degenerate.

bparsons 1y ago
There are a lot of functioning socialist states. You don't have to imagine them. They are happier, healthier and have better infrastructure than the United States.
- wenc 1y ago
  Which ones? If you’re thinking Scandinavian countries they are mixed economies. Most successful economies today are mixed economies.
  - bparsons 1y ago
    All economies are mixed, save for North Korea, which is command economy communism. On the sliding scale of welfare state socialism, Finland and Norway have the greatest degree of public investment. Angola would be on the other side of that spectrum, with almost no public services or redistributive programs offered.
  - xboxnolifes 1y ago
    When people want to introduce Scandinavian-like social programs to the US, it's "socialism doesn't work". When people point out that they work in the Scandinavian countries it's "Those aren't actually socialism".
    - DeusExMachina 11mo ago
      When people want to claim that socialism works, they point at countries that aren't socialist. Socialism is very well defined and it's made nebulous only to claim virtues it doesn't have. Scandinavian countries aren't socialist. They themselves say they are not socialist and a simple google search for "are scandinavian countries socialist?" will show you that the consensus is that they are not.
      - bparsons 11mo ago
        Good news. The US can implement universal public healthcare and free university without fear of being socialist.

bparsons 1y ago

There are a lot of functioning socialist states. You don't have to imagine them. They are happier, healthier and have better infrastructure than the United States.

wenc 1y ago
Which ones? If you’re thinking Scandinavian countries they are mixed economies. Most successful economies today are mixed economies.
- bparsons 1y ago
  All economies are mixed, save for North Korea, which is command economy communism. On the sliding scale of welfare state socialism, Finland and Norway have the greatest degree of public investment. Angola would be on the other side of that spectrum, with almost no public services or redistributive programs offered.
- xboxnolifes 1y ago
  When people want to introduce Scandinavian-like social programs to the US, it's "socialism doesn't work". When people point out that they work in the Scandinavian countries it's "Those aren't actually socialism".
  - DeusExMachina 11mo ago
    When people want to claim that socialism works, they point at countries that aren't socialist. Socialism is very well defined and it's made nebulous only to claim virtues it doesn't have. Scandinavian countries aren't socialist. They themselves say they are not socialist and a simple google search for "are scandinavian countries socialist?" will show you that the consensus is that they are not.
    - bparsons 11mo ago
      Good news. The US can implement universal public healthcare and free university without fear of being socialist.