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Kafka is great tech, never sure why people have an issue with it. Would I use it all the time? No, but where it's useful, it's really useful, and opens up whole

Kafka is great tech, never sure why people have an issue with it. Would I use it all the time? No, but where it's useful, it's really useful, and opens up whole patterns that are hard to implement other ways

evantbyrne 11mo ago
Managed hosting is expensive to operate and self-managing kafka is a job in of itself. At my last employer they were spending six figures to run three low volume clusters before I did some work to get them off some enterprise features, which halved the cost, but it was still at least 5x the cost of running a mainstream queue. Don't use kafka if you just need queuing.
- CuriouslyC 11mo ago
  I always push people to start with NATS jetstream unless I 100% know they won't be able to live without Kafka features. It's performant and low ops.
- bencyoung 11mo ago
  Cheapest MSK cluster is $100 a month and can easily run a dev/uat cluster with thousands of messages a second. They go up from there but we've made a lot of use of these and they are pretty useful
  - singron 11mo ago
    I've basically never had a problem with MSK brokers. The issue has usually been "why are we rebalancing?" and "why aren't we consuming?", i.e. client problems.
  - evantbyrne 11mo ago
    It's not the dev box with zero integrations/storage that's expensive. AWS was quoting us similar numbers for MSK. Part of the issue is that modern kafka has become synonymous with Confluent, and once you buy into those features, it is very difficult to go back. If you're already on AWS and just need queuing, start with SQS.
- j45 11mo ago
  Engaging difficulty is a form of procrastination and avoiding stoking a product in some cases. Instead of not knowing 1 thing to launch.. let’s pick as many new to us things, that will increase the chances of success.
bonesss 11mo ago
Kafka also provides early architectural scaffolding for multiple teams to build in parallel with predictable outcomes (in addition to the categorical answers to hard/error-prone patterns). It’s been adopted in principle by the services on, and is offered turn-key by, all the major cloud providers. Personally I’d expect some kind of internal interface to abstract away and develop reusable components for such an external dependency, which readily enables having relational data stores mirroring the brokers functionality. Handy for testing and some specific local scenarios, and those database backed stores can easily pull from the main cluster(s) later to mirror data as needed.

evantbyrne 11mo ago

Managed hosting is expensive to operate and self-managing kafka is a job in of itself. At my last employer they were spending six figures to run three low volume clusters before I did some work to get them off some enterprise features, which halved the cost, but it was still at least 5x the cost of running a mainstream queue. Don't use kafka if you just need queuing.

CuriouslyC 11mo ago
I always push people to start with NATS jetstream unless I 100% know they won't be able to live without Kafka features. It's performant and low ops.
bencyoung 11mo ago
Cheapest MSK cluster is $100 a month and can easily run a dev/uat cluster with thousands of messages a second. They go up from there but we've made a lot of use of these and they are pretty useful
- singron 11mo ago
  I've basically never had a problem with MSK brokers. The issue has usually been "why are we rebalancing?" and "why aren't we consuming?", i.e. client problems.
- evantbyrne 11mo ago
  It's not the dev box with zero integrations/storage that's expensive. AWS was quoting us similar numbers for MSK. Part of the issue is that modern kafka has become synonymous with Confluent, and once you buy into those features, it is very difficult to go back. If you're already on AWS and just need queuing, start with SQS.
j45 11mo ago
Engaging difficulty is a form of procrastination and avoiding stoking a product in some cases. Instead of not knowing 1 thing to launch.. let’s pick as many new to us things, that will increase the chances of success.

bonesss 11mo ago

Kafka also provides early architectural scaffolding for multiple teams to build in parallel with predictable outcomes (in addition to the categorical answers to hard/error-prone patterns). It’s been adopted in principle by the services on, and is offered turn-key by, all the major cloud providers. Personally I’d expect some kind of internal interface to abstract away and develop reusable components for such an external dependency, which readily enables having relational data stores mirroring the brokers functionality. Handy for testing and some specific local scenarios, and those database backed stores can easily pull from the main cluster(s) later to mirror data as needed.