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I think a lot of engineers who remember the bare metal days have legitimate qualms about going back to the way that world used to work especially before contain

by dangus 1y ago

I think a lot of engineers who remember the bare metal days have legitimate qualms about going back to the way that world used to work especially before containerization/Kubernetes. I imagine a lot of people who use Linux/AWS now started out with bare metal Microsoft/VMWare/Oracle type of environments where AWS services seemed like a massive breath of fresh air.

baq 1y ago
I remember having to put in orders for pallets of servers which then ended up storage somewhere because there were not enough people to carry and wire them up and/or there wasn't enough rack space to install them. Having an ability to spin up a server or a vm when you need it without having to ask a single question is very liberating. Sometimes such elasticity is exactly what's needed. OTOH other people's servers aren't always the wise choice, but you have to know both environments to make the right choice, and nowadays I feel most people don't really know anything about bare metal.
- lazyfanatic42 1y ago
  the best is having rackspace & power but not enough cooling, hahaha murder me
  - snark42 1y ago
    That only happens when you have your own data center. That's a whole different issue and most people with their own hardware don't have their own data centers as it's not particularly cost efficient except at incredibly large scale.
- kijin 1y ago
  That's the beauty of VMs. Luckily, Amazon is far from the only VM provider out there, so this discussion doesn't need to be polarized between "AWS everything" and "on-premise everything". You can rent VMs elsewhere for a fraction of the cost. There are many places that will rent you bare metal servers by the hour, just as if they were VMs. You can even mix VMs and bare metal servers in the same datacenter.
- iso1631 1y ago
  I spin up a VM on my xen vm estate whenever I want it with just some clickops or teraform (depending on the environment)
  - baq 1y ago
    What do you think the pallets of servers were intended for
- kaydub 1y ago
  Not just spin up a server, you can spin up whole regions, even in foreign countries, at the click of a button.
tayo42 1y ago
Containers with k8s and bare metal aren't mutually exclusive. If anything it enables a hybrid environment
Spooky23 1y ago
No doubt -- there are plenty of downsides to running your own stuff. I'm not anti-AWS. I'm pro-efficiency, and pro making deliberate choices. If there's a choice is spend $10M extra on AWS because the engineers get a good vibe -- there should be a compelling reason why that vibe is worth $10M. (And there may well be) Look at what Amazon/Google/Microsoft does. If you told me you advocate running your own power plants, I'd eyeroll. But... if you're as large a power consumer as a hyper-scaler, totally different story. Google and Microsoft are investing in lighting up old nuclear plants.
array_key_first 1y ago
My company runs all their own bare metal data centers but it's containerized, and it's basically magic.

by dangus 1y ago

baq 1y ago

I remember having to put in orders for pallets of servers which then ended up storage somewhere because there were not enough people to carry and wire them up and/or there wasn't enough rack space to install them. Having an ability to spin up a server or a vm when you need it without having to ask a single question is very liberating. Sometimes such elasticity is exactly what's needed. OTOH other people's servers aren't always the wise choice, but you have to know both environments to make the right choice, and nowadays I feel most people don't really know anything about bare metal.

lazyfanatic42 1y ago
the best is having rackspace & power but not enough cooling, hahaha murder me
- snark42 1y ago
  That only happens when you have your own data center. That's a whole different issue and most people with their own hardware don't have their own data centers as it's not particularly cost efficient except at incredibly large scale.
kijin 1y ago
That's the beauty of VMs. Luckily, Amazon is far from the only VM provider out there, so this discussion doesn't need to be polarized between "AWS everything" and "on-premise everything". You can rent VMs elsewhere for a fraction of the cost. There are many places that will rent you bare metal servers by the hour, just as if they were VMs. You can even mix VMs and bare metal servers in the same datacenter.
iso1631 1y ago
I spin up a VM on my xen vm estate whenever I want it with just some clickops or teraform (depending on the environment)
- baq 1y ago
  What do you think the pallets of servers were intended for
kaydub 1y ago
Not just spin up a server, you can spin up whole regions, even in foreign countries, at the click of a button.

tayo42 1y ago

Containers with k8s and bare metal aren't mutually exclusive. If anything it enables a hybrid environment

Spooky23 1y ago

No doubt -- there are plenty of downsides to running your own stuff. I'm not anti-AWS. I'm pro-efficiency, and pro making deliberate choices. If there's a choice is spend $10M extra on AWS because the engineers get a good vibe -- there should be a compelling reason why that vibe is worth $10M. (And there may well be) Look at what Amazon/Google/Microsoft does. If you told me you advocate running your own power plants, I'd eyeroll. But... if you're as large a power consumer as a hyper-scaler, totally different story. Google and Microsoft are investing in lighting up old nuclear plants.

array_key_first 1y ago

My company runs all their own bare metal data centers but it's containerized, and it's basically magic.